2011 MCI Mailing List Archive (by Date)

Sat Jan 01 05:20:38 2011
- Line launch - discussion 3
- Lesson plan - QUIZ
Sun Jan 02 05:20:39 2011
- Line launch - summation
- Line launch - post summation
- Line launch - post summation 2
Mon Jan 03 00:10:12 2011
- Lesson Plan - Answers
- Lesson plan - Answers - 2
- AWAY - Agenda
Sat Jan 08 12:21:01 2011
- Final answers to quiz
- Quiz - Summation
Sun Jan 09 12:50:54 2011
- Terms - "Definitions"
- Summation - commentary
Mon Jan 10 07:57:01 2011
- Momentum - Line launch
- Timely questions -CCI test - Essentials
Tue Jan 11 07:43:08 2011
- Answers to questions - CCI task
- Question - DAMPING
Wed Jan 12 10:53:15 2011
- Stroke length and rod arc
- CCI test - Task 21.
Thu Jan 13 06:44:43 2011
- CCI test - Task 21 2
- Essentials - the most import one
- Re: Question - DAMPING - part 2
- Fun stuff with a message
Fri Jan 14 08:07:37 2011
- Fun Stuff - Comments
- CCI test, Final comments
- Re: Question - DAMPING - part 2
Sat Jan 15 07:13:27 2011
- Testing - "arc", angle, stroke
- Testing - "arc", angle, stroke
Mon Jan 17 08:27:08 2011
- ESSENTIALS, PRINCIPLES & VARIABLES
Tue Jan 18 06:57:09 2011
- Essentials
- Glossary of terms / definitions
Wed Jan 19 09:19:04 2011
- Essentials, Principles & Variables 2
- MCI Exam experience
Thu Jan 20 09:25:33 2011
- Personal MCI prep. & exam experience
- FFF Euro-Conclave
- Re: Glossary of terms / definitions
Fri Jan 21 04:30:15 2011
- Personal MCI Prep & Exam experiences - 2
- Personal MCI Prep. & Exam esperiences - 3
- MCI Prep & Exam experiences - 4
Sat Jan 22 04:32:42 2011
- MCI Exam - Definitions
- Q : "How do you teach" ?
Sun Jan 23 10:56:08 2011
- Viisualization
Mon Jan 24 07:06:27 2011
- MCI Exam - Definitions 2
- Visualization - 2
- Re: MCI Exam - Definitions 2
Tue Jan 25 06:36:09 2011
- Request for physics topics
- Visualization - 3
Wed Jan 26 08:22:11 2011
- Visualization - Conclusions
Thu Jan 27 07:24:42 2011
- Fwd: Request for physics topics
Fri Jan 28 08:02:20 2011
- MCI Exam
Sat Jan 29 11:26:45 2011
- MCI exam Comments
Sun Jan 30 06:44:00 2011
- MCI Exam Comments - 2
Sun Jan 30 17:04:27 2011
- MCI exam Comments - 3
- MCI exam Comments - 4
Tue Feb 01 05:29:32 2011
- MCI exam Comments - 5
- MCI exam Comments - 6
Tue Feb 01 23:31:05 2011
- MCI exam Comments - Finale
- MCI test - Task 1.
- Task 1 discussion
Thu Feb 03 05:18:56 2011
- Task 1. Discussion 2
- Task 1. Discussion 3
Fri Feb 04 05:56:27 2011
- Task 1. Discussion 4
- Sketch for Task 1.
- Task 1. Discussion 5
Sat Feb 05 05:59:26 2011
- Task 1 Discussion 6
- Task 1 Discussion 7
Sun Feb 06 07:11:11 2011
- Task 1 Discussion 8
Mon Feb 07 08:58:17 2011
- MCI exam - Task 2.
Tue Feb 08 10:44:07 2011
- MCI exam - Task 2
Wed Feb 09 07:35:39 2011
- Task 2 Discussion
Thu Feb 10 05:18:56 2011
- Task 2 Discussion 2
Fri Feb 11 05:03:28 2011
- Task 2 Discussion 3
- Task 3
Sat Feb 12 06:57:41 2011
- Task 3 Discussion 1
- Task 3 Discussion 2
Sun Feb 13 05:22:24 2011
- Task 3 Discussion 3
- Task 3 Discussion 4
Sun Feb 13 20:35:03 2011
- Task 3 Discussion 5
- Task 3 Discussion 6
- Task 3 Discussion 7
Mon Feb 14 18:56:46 2011
- Task 3 Discussion 8
- Task 4
Wed Feb 16 07:48:05 2011
- Task 4 Discussion 1
Thu Feb 17 05:21:46 2011
- Task 4 Discussion 2
Fri Feb 18 05:12:27 2011
- Task 4 Discussion 3
- Task 4 Discussion 4
Sat Feb 19 05:37:48 2011
- Task 4 Discussion 5
Sun Feb 20 05:35:06 2011
- Task 4 Discussion 6
- Task 4 Discussion 7
Mon Feb 21 05:15:15 2011
- Task 4 Discussion 8
- Task 4 Discussion 9
Tue Feb 22 05:06:06 2011
- Task 5
- Task 5
- Task 5 Discussion 1
Wed Feb 23 08:24:34 2011
- Task 5 discussion 2
Thu Feb 24 04:56:17 2011
- Task 5 Discussion 3
- Task 5 Discussion 4
Fri Feb 25 06:15:04 2011
- Task 5 Discussion 5
- Task 5 Discussion 6
Sat Feb 26 05:02:51 2011
- Task 5 Discussion 7
- Task 6
Sun Feb 27 12:29:21 2011
- Task 6 Discussion 1
Mon Feb 28 06:30:42 2011
- Task 6 Discussion 2
- Task 4 Discussion 10
Mon Feb 28 18:39:56 2011
- Task 6 Discussion 3
- Re: New member for MCI study group
- Task 6 Discussion 4
- Task 5 Discussion 9
Wed Mar 02 07:03:58 2011
- Task 6 Discussion 5
- Task 5 Discussion 10
Thu Mar 03 05:41:59 2011
- Task 6 Ddiscussion 7
- Task 7
Fri Mar 04 06:58:27 2011
- Task 7 Discussion 1
- Task 7 Discussion 2
Sat Mar 05 07:01:02 2011
- Task 8
Sun Mar 06 05:04:56 2011
- Task 8 Discussion 1
Sun Mar 06 20:22:37 2011
- Task 8 Discussion 2
- Task 8 Discussion 3
Tue Mar 08 11:28:08 2011
- Task 7 Discussion 3
- Task 8 Discussion 4
Wed Mar 09 10:00:05 2011
- Task 8 Discussion 5
- Task 9
Thu Mar 10 04:56:48 2011
- Task 9 Discussion 1
- Task 9 Discussion 2
Fri Mar 11 08:01:18 2011
- Task 9 Ddiscussion 3
Sat Mar 12 08:14:51 2011
- Task 9 Discussion 4
Sun Mar 13 06:12:51 2011
- Task 9 Discussion 5
Sun Mar 13 18:23:34 2011
- Task 9 Discussion 6
- Task 5 Discussion 10 Pull-back video from Paul Arden
- Task 9 Discussion 7
Tue Mar 15 07:29:46 2011
- Task 5 Discussion 11 - Sharks
- Task 5 Discussion 12
Wed Mar 16 03:05:38 2011
- Task 9 Discussion 8
- Task 10
Thu Mar 17 07:22:06 2011
- Task 10 Discussion 1
Fri Mar 18 07:25:23 2011
- Task 10 Discussion 2
Sat Mar 19 08:03:10 2011
- Task 10 Discussion 3
- Task 11
Sat Mar 19 19:38:28 2011
- Task 11 Discussion 1
- Task 11 Discussion 2
Mon Mar 21 06:28:11 2011
- Task 11 Discussion 3
Tue Mar 22 01:10:36 2011
- Task 11 Discussion 4
- Task 11 Discussion 5
- Task 5 Discussion 11
Wed Mar 23 05:13:03 2011
- Task 11 Discussion 6
Wed Mar 23 19:06:05 2011
- Task 11 Discussion 7
- Task 11 Discussion 8 - Hovering
- Re: Task 11 Discussion 7
- Task 11 Discussion 9
Fri Mar 25 10:58:08 2011
- Task 11 Discussion 10
- Task 12
Sat Mar 26 14:05:07 2011
- Task 12 Discussion 1
Sat Mar 26 20:23:49 2011
- Task 12 Discussion 2
- Task 12 Discussion 3
- Task 12 Discussion 4
Mon Mar 28 11:02:00 2011
- Task 12 Discussioin 5
Mon Mar 28 20:35:14 2011
- Task 12 Discussion 6
- Task 12 Discussion 7
- Task 12 Discussion 8
Wed Mar 30 06:25:46 2011
- Task 12 Discussion 9
- Task 12 Discussion 10
Thu Mar 31 05:37:05 2011
- Task 12 Discussion 11
- Task 13
Fri Apr 01 08:53:08 2011
- Task 13 Discussion 1
- Task 12 Discussion 13
Sat Apr 02 07:25:22 2011
- Task 13 Discussion 2
Sun Apr 03 14:47:37 2011
- Tassk 13 Discussion 3
Mon Apr 04 10:34:12 2011
- Task 13 Discussion 4
Tue Apr 05 06:13:01 2011
- Task 14
- Task 14 Discussion 1
Wed Apr 06 14:03:41 2011
- Task 14 Discussion 2
Wed Apr 06 18:22:25 2011
- Task 14 Discussion 3
- Task 14 Discussion 4
Fri Apr 08 06:33:52 2011
- Task 14 Discussion 5
- Task 15
Sat Apr 09 05:39:50 2011
- Task 15 Discussion 1
Sun Apr 10 09:23:06 2011
- Task 15 Discussion 2
Mon Apr 11 09:41:32 2011
- Task 15 Discussion 3
Tue Apr 12 08:55:19 2011
- Task 16
Wed Apr 13 06:22:47 2011
- Task 11 Discussion 10 (Addenum)
- Task 16 Discussion 1
- Task 11 Discussion 11
Mon Apr 18 19:00:53 2011
- Task 16 Discussion 2
- Task 11 Discussion 12 (Addenum 3)
- Task 16 Discussion 2
Thu Apr 21 17:52:36 2011
- Task 16 Discussion 3
Fri Apr 22 07:30:19 2011
- Testing / The Competent Caster
- Task 17
Sat Apr 23 10:47:33 2011
- Task 17 Discussion 1
Sun Apr 24 06:12:52 2011
- Task 17 Discussion 2
- Task 17 Discussion 3
Mon Apr 25 06:44:40 2011
- Task 17 Discussion 4 ERROR
- Digression - More on learning
Tue Apr 26 05:07:23 2011
- Task 17 Discussion 5
- Task 17 Discussion 6
Wed Apr 27 05:48:24 2011
- Task 17 Discussion 7
Wed Apr 27 21:25:16 2011
- Task 17 Discussion 8
- Teaching - The Words we use
- Task 17 Discussion 9
- Re: Conflicting view of definitions
Fri Apr 29 04:18:57 2011
- Task 17 Discussion 10
- Task 17 Discussion 11
Fri Apr 29 18:48:58 2011
- Re: Conflicting view of definitions
- Task 17 Discussion 12
- Task 18
- Re: Conflicting view of definitions
- Re: Conflicting view of definitions
- Re: Conflicting view of definitions
- Re: Conflicting view of definitions
Sun May 01 05:30:41 2011
- Task18 Discussion 1
- Task 18 Discussion 2
Mon May 02 09:31:55 2011
- Task 18 Discussion 3
- Re: Conflicting view of definitions
- Task 18 Discussion 4
- Re: Conflicting view of definitions
Tue May 03 10:52:56 2011
- Task 18 Discussion 5
- Re: Conflicting view of definitions
- Re: Conflicting view of definitions
Wed May 04 07:50:58 2011
- Task 19
- Task 19 Discussion 1
Thu May 05 06:23:05 2011
- Task 19 Discussion 2
- Task 19 Discussion 3
Fri May 06 06:17:05 2011
- Task 19 Discussion 4
Sat May 07 03:22:20 2011
- Task 19 Discussion 5
- Task 19 Discussion 6
Sun May 08 04:43:17 2011
- Task 19 Discussion 7
- Task 19 Discussion 8
Mon May 09 09:05:46 2011
- Task 19 Discussion 9
Tue May 10 07:27:18 2011
- Task 19 Discussion 10
Wed May 11 03:19:52 2011
- Task 19 Discussion 11
Thu May 12 07:15:10 2011
- Re: CBOG Chairman election coming up? Off the record
- Task 19 Discussion 12
Fri May 13 03:48:17 2011
- Task 19 Discussion 13
Sat May 14 04:35:13 2011
- Task 19 Discussion 14
Sun May 15 13:05:08 2011
- Task19 Discussion 15
Mon May 16 12:26:15 2011
- Task 19 Discussion 16
Tue May 17 13:35:07 2011
- CONGRATULATIONS !!!
Wed May 18 09:11:59 2011
- Task 19 Discussion 17
Thu May 19 02:55:49 2011
- Task 20
- Task 20 Discussion 1
Thu May 19 19:30:29 2011
- Task 20 Discussion 2
- Task 20 Discussion 3
Sat May 21 06:25:45 2011
- Task 20 Discussion 4
Sun May 22 05:15:55 2011
- Task 20 Discussion 5
Mon May 23 05:01:17 2011
- Task 20 Discussion 6
- Task 20 Discussion 7
Tue May 24 05:00:10 2011
- Task 20 Discussion 8
- Task 20 Discussion 9
Wed May 25 12:16:48 2011
- Task 20 Discussion 10
Thu May 26 05:44:57 2011
- Task 20 Discussion 11
- Task 20 Discussion 11
Fri May 27 08:15:19 2011
- MCI exam
Sat May 28 04:43:28 2011
- MCI Exam tasks 1
- MCI Exam tasks 2
Sun May 29 05:53:30 2011
- MCI Exam tasks 3
Mon May 30 09:19:53 2011
- MCI Exam tasks 4
Tue May 31 04:26:02 2011
- MCI Exam tasks 5
Wed Jun 01 07:04:19 2011
- MCI Oral Exam
- MCI Exam tasks 6
Thu Jun 02 04:32:23 2011
- MCI Oral Exam 2
Fri Jun 03 08:12:22 2011
- MCI tasks 7
Sat Jun 04 05:34:03 2011
- MCI tasks 8
Sun Jun 05 05:11:43 2011
- MCI Exam
- MCI Exam
Tue Jun 14 07:02:31 2011
- Backcast loop / forward cast
Wed Jun 15 05:47:11 2011
- Backcast loop / forward cast
Thu Jun 16 05:02:03 2011
- Backcast loop / forward cast 3
Fri Jun 17 11:06:16 2011
- CONGRATULATIONS !
Sat Jun 18 08:02:24 2011
- Backcast loop / forward cast - finale
Sun Jun 19 14:40:22 2011
- Backcast loop / forward cast - discussion
Mon Jun 20 08:38:34 2011
- " Hang time"
Tue Jun 21 07:15:45 2011
- Malaysia candidates
- Hang Time - Line fall
Wed Jun 22 04:30:02 2011
- Backcast loop / forward cast - Discussion 2
Thu Jun 23 03:34:38 2011
- Hang time - line fall 2
Fri Jun 24 07:12:51 2011
- Hang time - line fall 3
- Ed Jaworowski on DRIFT
Sat Jun 25 07:52:05 2011
- Genesis of loop formation
- Re: Hang time - line fall 3
- Re: Hang time - line fall 2
- Re: Updates to the study group archive
- Master Study Group Archive
Sun Jun 26 07:22:11 2011
- Re: Hang time - line fall 2
- Loop genesis - discussion
Mon Jun 27 08:00:19 2011
- Loop genesis - Discussion 2
- Loop / Leader analysis
Mon Jun 27 21:18:40 2011
- Loop / Leader analysis - 2
- Loop / Leader analysis 3
- 2nd Picture
Wed Jun 29 05:57:42 2011
- LOOP - Spring 2011
- Loop/Leader analysis 4
- LOOP - access
Wed Jun 29 20:13:44 2011
- Loop/Leader analysis 5
Fri Jul 01 17:30:06 2011
- Loop / Leader analysis 6
Sat Jul 02 16:45:38 2011
- Loop / Leader analysis 7
Sun Jul 03 11:32:38 2011
- Loop/Leader analysis. Final comments
Mon Jul 04 06:07:53 2011
- CCI Candidates
Tue Jul 05 08:42:26 2011
- CCI Candidates 2
Wed Jul 06 06:18:04 2011
- CCI Candidates 3
Thu Jul 07 05:39:24 2011
- CCI Candidates 4
- CCI Candidates 5
Fri Jul 08 07:48:48 2011
- CCI Candidates 6
Sat Jul 09 06:21:23 2011
- CCI Candidates 7
Sun Jul 10 06:43:23 2011
- CCI Candidates 8
- Away
Sat Jul 16 13:49:16 2011
- CCI Candidates 9
Sun Jul 17 13:53:15 2011
- CCI Candidates 10
Mon Jul 18 07:48:13 2011
- CCI Candidates 11
Tue Jul 19 06:53:43 2011
- CCI Candidates 12
Wed Jul 20 04:38:50 2011
- CCI Candidates 13
- CCI Candidates 14
Thu Jul 21 04:33:36 2011
- CCI Candidates 15 - Study Groups
- Flycasting history - The double haul
Fri Jul 22 07:07:54 2011
- CCI Candidates 16
- Flycasting History 2
Sat Jul 23 16:12:24 2011
- Instructor certification issues
Sun Jul 24 16:09:15 2011
- Instructor Certificatiojn Issues 2
Mon Jul 25 10:43:16 2011
- Qualifying new MCI's as examiners
- Flycasting history 3
Tue Jul 26 09:30:42 2011
- Qualifying new MCI's as examiners 2
- Flycasting history 4, Books
Wed Jul 27 04:45:39 2011
- Qualifying new MCI's as examiners 3
Wed Aug 03 13:14:18 2011
- Books & videos for learning
Fri Aug 05 09:33:22 2011
- Golf analogy
- The PRE-TEST
Sat Aug 06 10:16:27 2011
- The PRE-TEST 2
Sun Aug 07 09:12:34 2011
- Golf analogy 2
- The PRE-TEST 3
Mon Aug 08 08:18:41 2011
- The PRE-TEST 4
Tue Aug 09 12:33:40 2011
- Golf analogy 3
- Fly casting books
- The ;;RE-TEST 5
Wed Aug 10 08:40:11 2011
- The PRE-TEST 6
Thu Aug 11 08:17:05 2011
- The PRE-TEST 7
- The PRE-TEST 8
Tue Aug 16 13:25:51 2011
- The PRE-TEST 9
Wed Aug 17 07:59:55 2011
- Casting Rendezvous
Thu Aug 18 03:44:40 2011
- The actual exam used as a "Pre-Test"
Fri Aug 19 09:15:56 2011
- The actual exam as a pre-test 2
- Casting Rendezvous 2
Sat Aug 20 06:08:06 2011
- MCI Exam. Oral? or Written?
- MCI Exam Oral? or Written? 2
- Great learning oportunities in Florida
Sun Aug 21 10:08:30 2011
- MCI Exam Oral? or Written? 3
Mon Aug 22 19:20:53 2011
- MCI Exam Oral? or Written? 4
- MCI Exam Oral? or Written? 5
Wed Aug 24 09:54:52 2011
- MCI Exam. Oral? or Written? 6
- Casting Physics Workshop
Thu Aug 25 08:35:50 2011
- MCI Exam. Oral? or Written? 7
Fri Aug 26 08:00:57 2011
- MCI Exam. Oral? or Written?
Sat Aug 27 09:17:33 2011
- Conclave & Vacations
Mon Aug 29 09:25:43 2011
- Re: Conclave & Vacations
Thu Sep 08 09:00:46 2011
- Congratulations !
- "Internet Clave"
Fri Sep 09 14:32:52 2011
- CONGRATULATIONS !
Sat Sep 10 13:36:59 2011
- Internet Clave 2
Sun Sep 11 08:15:38 2011
- Internet Clave 3
- Internet Clave 4
Mon Sep 19 17:53:01 2011
- Internet Clave 5
Tue Sep 20 07:52:51 2011
- Internet Clave 6
- Internet Clave 7
Mon Oct 17 13:33:26 2011
- Internet Clave 8
Wed Oct 19 06:11:00 2011
- Study material from Bob Rumpf
- Study Material 2
Thu Oct 20 05:43:51 2011
- Study Material 3
- Study Material 4
Fri Oct 21 14:42:28 2011
- Internet Clave 10
- Internet Clave 9
Sat Oct 22 13:57:02 2011
- Curve cast videos
Tue Oct 25 08:36:30 2011
- Curve cast videos 2
- Curve Cast videos CORRECTION !
Wed Oct 26 06:37:48 2011
- Curve cast videos 4
Thu Oct 27 06:47:10 2011
- Curve cast videos 5
Fri Oct 28 05:23:08 2011
- Curve cast videos 6
- Teaching visually impaired casters
Sat Oct 29 09:00:09 2011
- Curve cast videos 7
- Teaching visually impaired casters 2
Sun Oct 30 09:34:33 2011
- Teaching visually impaired casters
Mon Oct 31 08:49:26 2011
- Curve cast videos 8
Tue Nov 01 14:59:49 2011
- Teaching visually impaired casters 4
Wed Nov 02 05:54:14 2011
- Curve cast videos 9
- Correction
Thu Nov 03 07:42:20 2011
- Curve cast videos 10
- Correction 2
Fri Nov 04 09:05:46 2011
- Curve cast videos 11
Sat Nov 05 05:50:27 2011
- Curve cast videos 12
Wed Nov 09 08:11:15 2011
- Curve cast videos 13
Thu Nov 10 15:11:12 2011
- Curve cast videos 14
Fri Nov 11 10:33:20 2011
- Books for study
Sat Nov 12 08:34:09 2011
- Books for study 2
Sun Nov 13 07:18:31 2011
- Books for study 3
Mon Nov 14 07:06:57 2011
- Books for study 4
Tue Nov 15 05:07:47 2011
- Books for study 5
Wed Nov 16 04:12:06 2011
- "Does the line always follow the rod tip" ?
Thu Nov 17 07:42:14 2011
- Does the line always follow the rod tip ? 2
- Re: "Does the line always follow the rod tip" ?
- Does the line always follow the rod tip? 3
- Re: "Does the line always follow the rod tip" ?
Fri Nov 18 05:29:05 2011
- Does the line always follow the rod tip ? 4
Sat Nov 19 05:47:12 2011
- Does the line always follow the rod tip? 5
Sun Nov 20 13:58:48 2011
- Does the line always follow the rod tip ? 6
Mon Nov 21 09:25:39 2011
- Does the line always follow the rod tip? 7
- Re: Does the line always follow the rod tip? 7
- Does the line always follow the rod tip? 8
Tue Nov 22 06:10:34 2011
- Re: Does the line always follow the rod tip? 8
- Bonus message "work contributed by the rod"
- Does the line always follow the rod tip? 7
Sat Nov 26 07:55:19 2011
- Does the line always follow the rod tip 8
Sun Nov 27 07:01:25 2011
- Commentary 2
Mon Nov 28 07:04:58 2011
- Commentary 3
Tue Nov 29 07:36:39 2011
- Commentary 4
Wed Nov 30 15:58:27 2011
- Commentary 5
Thu Dec 01 10:02:13 2011
- Commentary 6 - Quotes Quiz
- Re: Commentary 6 - Quotes Quiz
- Books found
Fri Dec 02 05:31:32 2011
- Books found 2
- Away
Mon Dec 05 14:55:16 2011
- Re: Beating a dead horse
Thu Dec 08 20:33:16 2011
- Commentary 7
Fri Dec 09 19:40:11 2011
- Commentary 8
- Quote Quiz - My answers.
Sun Dec 11 13:03:41 2011
- Quotes Quiz - Answers 2
Mon Dec 12 09:16:38 2011
- Quotes 3
- Closing topic (Commentary)
Tue Dec 13 05:36:37 2011
- Diagnosing and correcting faults
Wed Dec 14 07:42:10 2011
- Problem: Back cast loops strike the ground
Thu Dec 15 05:12:08 2011
- Problem: Back cast loops strike the ground 2
- Re: Problem: Back cast loops strike the ground 2
Fri Dec 16 04:59:19 2011
- Problem: Back cast loops striking the ground 3
- Well done !
- Re: Well done !
Sat Dec 17 04:30:25 2011
- Problem: Back cast loops strike the ground 4
Sun Dec 18 09:00:49 2011
- Problem: Back cast loops strike the ground 5
Mon Dec 19 07:43:16 2011
- Books
Tue Dec 20 08:34:41 2011
- Problem: Back cast loops strike the ground FINALE
- Books - 2
Wed Dec 21 04:37:17 2011
- Fly snaps off
Thu Dec 22 04:46:21 2011
- Fly snaps off 2
Fri Dec 23 05:30:06 2011
- Fly snaps off 3

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