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Walter & Group...
[GH] From Troy Miller :
Al Kyte uses real elastic to train the down-up. We all left his seminar with an 18” long rubber band which I’ve used with a few students that had trouble with remembering to give back.
Regards,
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[GH] Peter Morse shares his method of teaching the haul:
Gordy, If there is a problem with the haul timing it will show up in the line and an MCI candidate should be very aware of that.
I use a blend of Lefty's method of laying the line out on the ground and Mel's "down up" mantra. Once a student gets the basic action right you can start to work on more precise timing adjustments. I really like to up-line the rod and to use a different fly line such as a Bass taper or even a shooting head - this eliminates any slack but if it persists between the hauling hand and the stripping guide the student's back cast needs more work (it lacks the speed and shape to pull the slack out) and I will simply go back to improving that. Very often this slack will appear as they first struggle with getting their timing right and most often once you point it out they will get rid of it. I love the moment when someone comes up to me and says "No one has ever been able to teach me how to haul, can you have a go". I get a huge kick out of seeing someone "get" hauling for the first time
Peter
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[GH] Ken Cole discusses the "line pusher" who ends up with slack when making a haul :
Evening, Gordy
I won't comment on the first 7 questions as they have been well covered by others.
On teaching a "line pusher", I will always go to the horizontal casting scenario; rod at 90° to the caster's body, palm and reel turned flat to the casting plane, line stretched out along a straight line. That way, the student can "see" and "feel" the loop as it unrolls. The key concept to relate to the student is to hold off on the haul till the rod passes through the center line, and let the loop suck the line (and hand) back toward the reel at RSP. The haul should be made straight away from and in the same plane as the rod.
Ken Cole
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[GH] Ken,
That works well. I like to teach the haul from the start using horizontal ground casting. Then we go "airborne".
A couple of years ago, I requested a Master candidate to show us how he would teach the haul with the testing team as his "students". He did it reasonably well.... BUT made the fatal mistake of turning his back to us while doing his initial demonstration. When asked about that, he said he'd have done it that way as a demo in front of a class.
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[GH] From Rene Hesse :
Hi Gordy,
This is how I teach the double haul.
After explaining what it is and what is does....
Have the caster do the horizontal lawn cast, palm up...no power before midnight and power snap with line in line hand. (35 ft of line)
Then I hold the line behind them on the lawn in the position of the power snap and have them pull, tug, bend and move the rod around until they realize the best position to make the haul on the forward cast. This part is all about the feel of rotation and hauling.
With me holding the line they feel the tension of the give back too.
Now we just, 'drag-power snap, drag-power snap...' Using the same casting arc and focus on moving the line with the line hand at the same time as the snap.
Using your 'rudder-accelerator' helps too.
Then just move to off vertical, pick up-haul-lay down on the front and back cast.
SLOWLY
Rene
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[GH] Gary Eaton answers my question,"You gave this as a "hint" for task 12. How are you relating the drift to the haul task ???" :
Gordy,
I see the need to drift into both the forward and back casts for the double haul demonstration task as necessary to 1) maintain consistent loop shapes and 2)optimize font to back symmetry 3) prevent tails from too short a stroke and 4) perpetuate near horizontal loop legs or at least well aligned rod legs of the loops.
The reason that drifting into the forward cast deserves mention is that most people see drift as a 1) back cast use only to primarily and 2) the longish distance of line being carried is somewhat demanding, so bi-directional drift helps ease the burden while it suppresses tailing tendencies.
When preparing a candidate, and in my own preparation, the skill-building drill became what I called "The Perpetual Double Haul" as I mimicked Tom White. I built-up early to ten or twelve visually symmetrical hauled casts in each direction. Then twenty, then thirty and so on. I did this in any wind and any direction. I was "blessed" with seasonal, pre-thunderstorm gusts and acquired a lot of timing, repetition and raw strength and endurance in those months. I got to where I would just quit after 100 in each direction, without a stop. I also developed a good "feel" for loops and became disciplined about maintaining the rhythm and consistency of bi-directional double-haul in changing conditions.
Gary Eaton
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[GH] Gary,
Sounds to me as though you are calling the "drift into the forward or back cast" what many would call "drag". If the caster does that, he neither moves the rod tip in the direction of an unrolling loop nor increases available stroke length and casting arc.
Tom would have a student do the "perpetual haul" until the feel and the timing became part of his DNA. Often when teaching hauls he used a heavy mono line so the student could feel the load more easily.
Other methods I've witnessed :
Floyd Franke gave a haul workshop several years ago. He used a method of placing the fly rod under arm in horizontal position. With the rod locked against his body, he rotated his body from left to right and back again..... and made hauls with his line hand. After this demo, he had the students do it. Only after learning the haul isolated from the casting arm stroke did he add the two.
I can't recall who did this, but there was also a demo at one of the conclaves of teaching the haul by having the caster make the cast while the instructor performed the haul repeatedly after which the student performed both.
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[GH] From Craig Buckbee :
"[GH] So far, no one has specifically answered this question which I posed on the Task 12 Discussion 4 message:
"When hosting a Masters exam, I usually ask the candidate to show me how he/she would teach hauling as part of Task 12. I'll sometimes pose as a "difficult student" who feeds slack into an ill timed haul.
Question:
BRIEFLY let us know how you would do this if this were an "ex;plain and demonstrate" task. "
gordy,
... with an over lined rod (or shooting head) much as when teaching to shoot line.
most often a 6 wgt rod with an 8 line. with this set up the rod firmly signals (gives feeling) to the caster the correct
timing. besides the quick loading aspect it allows us to cast a much shorter line which is easier to see and control.
the shorter length of line is often over looked.... less to manage, less to go wrong !
i often teach/demo in a very limiting building alcove here in mid-town Manhattan and using a heavy short line is quite effective.
the bright # 8 line shows well against the dark stone facade's wall and floor... stops the tourists in their tracks !
starting with horizontal casting and working in one direction we drag, haul, stop and then release.
turn body around, tip low, strip in some line, gain tension and repeat this cast scenario.
next step, instead of releasing the line we stay connected (line remains pinched) and give back as the
rod dictates, tells us. the over lining really helps here. the rod yanks the line. the caster's eyes open wide.
other:
- marked lines are good science, easily repeatable. lessen the variables... simplify for the student.
- i have found pantomiming to be difficult... for the student and me !
- ... though the word Down'Up does work great at times.
craig
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