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[GH] From Lewis Hinks :
Hi Gordy,
home sick with the flu, but trying to stay with the discussion.
I have had much success with students by using the term pull. Seems to make sense.
As a good friend of mine once said " You can't push a cow uphill with a rope"
Lewis
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[GH] Yes. Hope you get over your flu soon.
G.
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[GH] It has occurred to me that with all this discussion of the various ways of making tailing loops, we have not discussed :
1. Making a tail on the back cast.
2. Forming a tailing loop by means of altering the haul. (Of course, for Task 19, hauling is not allowed).
Comments ?
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[GH] Gary Meyer gives evidence of the power of mental telepathy. ! Since I had not sent it, he had not seen my note, above. He answered the "2." part of it anyway :
Gordy,
I just had a practical, real world experience concerning teaching and tailing loops.
A student, who is a pretty competent, maybe even above average, caster asked for a tune up session prior to his upcoming tarpon trip. One fault his cast exhibited was a late forming tail. I cringed when I saw it. I have found this a common fault with saltwater casters. Usually I like to mimic the fault, then demonstrate and explain the “fix”, but I could not mimic this fault – something I’ve tried and failed in the past. The three techniques demonstrated in Task 19 will produce obvious tails, but not similar to this real world tail.
After watching his hands for a while, I asked him to cast “one handed”. His tail immediately disappeared.
His haul was sharp, small, and imperfectly timed. We worked on that for a while, removed his tail, and went on to other things. I learned something too, as often happens, as I am now able to produce that common, late forming tail by hauling improperly.
My point is… requiring “no hauls” takes Task 19 away from the real world of casting and ignores the fact that the line hand can cause tails too. And with so many beginners wanting to haul prematurely, I think it might be more common than the three ways asked for in the Task.
Gary Meyer
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[GH] Gary,
Well done.
Years ago, when Tom White first came to the Florida Keys from Washington, we discussed our observations as to the most common fault each of us had observed as we tackled tailing loops. Tom and two trout fishermen from Montana said emphatically, CREEP.
All the salt water instructors chimed in and were in agreement among themselves that they saw as the most common fault students and fishing clients trying too hard as they worked with outfits heavier than they were used to casting. Of course, that translated into poor timing of the use of force with either the rod arm, the line arm or both.
After that, I started paying close attention to this and noted that the tail produced by aberrations of the haul were not common. I think that is because the flyfisher new to salty tackle and heavy flies tends to concentrate on effort expended on moving the rod. He generally has a "wimpy" haul which needs attention as a separate issue. Sometimes, however, the haul becomes the problem when it is brief and ill timed as in the case you cited.
When using 10 wt. to 12 wt tarpon rods, some of these casters pushed the rod forward at the end of the cast. That made the tail even more likely.
Gordy
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