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[GH] From Lefty Kreh,
Gordy-- I thought a great response and hope it gets many FFF approved instructors to think a bit differently. It has been my believe for years that the pure vertical cast is where most people have trouble--creep, tailing loops, etc. much of it disappears with the method mentioned.
Lefty
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[GH] From Allan Dozier,
Gordy, I'm with you and Shaun that double hauling and use of saltwater equipment should be expected for an MCI. I teach beginners of course but a significant percentage of students coming to me are experienced trout fishers who want to go on a saltwater fishing trip whether for redfish here in the Carolinas, False Albacore at Cape Lookout or for a trip to the Keys or Belize. It is becoming more and more popular around here and one of the first things advised to them is to go find a certified instructor for lessons first. There may be an argument that a CCI out west should not have to be well schooled in such equipment but it should be expected of an MCI no matter where he or she is. The skills covered on the present MCI exam are good and should be a minimum.
Allan
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Allan,
When I serve as lead examiner on an Master exam, I use a method learned from the many professional exams I've taken over the years as an orthopaedic surgeon.
On the oral portion, I ask more detailed questions on the kind of fly fishing and fly casting with which the candidate has greatest experience. I can do that, because I've been fortunate to have had broad experiences with both salt and fresh water venues.
If my candidate is primarily a salt water fisher and teacher, I'll ask detailed questions on all five categories with emphasis on the salt water material I feel he ought to know. I go into less detail on the questions on trout fishing, salmon fishing, and stream knowledge. I do just the opposite with the dyed in the wool trout fisher who I know has never seen salt water.
I start by asking simple questions which I'm reasonably sure the candidate will handle well. I do this to help relax this individual. I try my best to not have him/her flunk simply because of my inability to remove the fear and apprehension to the best of my ability from the examination process, itself. This takes time. I'm willing to spend it.
Dusty Sprague often gives the oral exam along with the performance portion. This method also helps to allay apprehension. Somehow, it seems to work because the candidate is more likely to be at ease out on the field or water, rod in hand.
I pattern the oral after the method used when I took my Orthopaedic surgery board exams and re-certification tests. Briefly, the way this was done was, in my opinion, fair. The idea was to place emphasis on the candidate's actual medical experience .
In preparation for these exams, we were told to present the detailed medical charts, studies and records of a given number of the patients we had cared for. The examiners questioned us using these very cases as a springboard to detailed information on subjects related to them as a primary thrust; then went beyond as they sought to test our in depth understanding of the subjects.
These exams followed a well controlled broad exam during which each candidate was asked exactly the same questions. A written exam given two years prior. It was computer graded. Totally objective. (As the exams described by Gary Eaton.}
I see the analogy of that first exam as representing our CCI exam; the second as our Master exam.
If I'm held to giving a rigid Master exam with each candidate being asked exactly the same questions, I'll resign as an examiner.
Gordy
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[GH] From Mark Roberts,
Hi Gordy
I do not know whether you wish to pass this information on but within GAIA we are about to undertake a review in detail of each of the tasks being assessed at both GAIC and APGAI.
In order to undertake this review we have taken our assessors and those in training (16 in all) and split them into groups of between two and three (the three include those in training)
Each team have been allocated a task to review and discuss with themselves to come to an agreed consensus. That consensus will then be demonstrated and explained to the assessor team over a two day period in late March 2011 where we hope to have a finalised agreed consensus where we can produce a guide for assessors.
What I have seen is that often the expectations and requirements from one assessor differs to the next. The simple truth is that having set an assessment and the tasks the most important part is to set the agreed standard.
In this way each candidate with proper mentoring can prepare themselves appropriately for assessment with clear guidelines as to what to expect and what is and is not the standard.
I have assessed a number of APGAI's who have passed but I always point out that all APGAI means is that they have completed the apprenticeship and now they have the knowledge to develop these skills further and not just in themselves but in others who follow.
GAIA have also developed a Glossary of terms which is not definitive but is a starter for those at GAIC level to progress. As with all these initiatives it creates debate and conflicts but that is no bad thing if it helps another's understanding.
I have attached it for your viewing and comments
best wishes
mark
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Mark,
Our MCI and CCI testing committees have been working for months on many things including the task of making the exams as fair to all as possible. This includes the careful setting of agreed upon performance standards listed in detail with each task description as EXPECTATIONS.
These expectations will be instructive to both candidates and instructors alike.
Our organizations, rather than being in competition with one another, can profit by being mutually supportive. Just as I see our Master Study Group as individuals learning from one another, so this can be achieved by good communications between the GAIC, APGAI, and the FFF.
(We Colonists can learn a thing or two along the way.)
Your glossary includes some definitions which differ a bit from the incomplete one we presented a short while back. I agree with you that looking at other's descriptions helps us all with better understanding. (I included it attached.)
Best,
Gordy
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Glossary of Terms for GAIA 'This Glossary of Terms has been put together to help explain in a simple uncomplicated manner the terms often referred to during coaching/mentoring. at These definitions will form the basis of the under pinning knowledge requiredassessment. It is appreciated that in some circumstances these definitions need expanding when being explained but the deeper understanding of these terms will be developed by your mentor and will be a way that you the candidate can show your greater understanding and own opinion at assessment. There are numerous explanations and similar terms used by noted individuals in the angling world. What is listed below is not a contradiction of those explanations but simply GAIA's own definition of them and should be regarded as a baseline of knowledge.' 180 Principal: In reference to Spey Casts: The line can only travel efficiently 180% to the formation of anchor/D or V loop. In reference to To and Fro casts they are separated by 180% A Fulcrum: A point around which a lever rotates. A Fulcrum Point Pivot, (F.P.P. for short): The point at which the lever is actually rotated. A Moving fulcrum: Movement of the F.P.P. to increase leverage. A Plane: Describes the trajectory/path the rod or line takes. A simple definition of an overhead cast: The presentation of a fly by the use of a back and forward casting stroke. Acceleration: A gradual increase in speed Acceleration to a stop/ Power application: A gradual increase in speed to an abrupt stop. Accuracy: The placement of a fly to a pre-determined target Aerial Mends: A manipulation of the rod to create shapes in the line after the stop. AFTM: Association of Fishing Tackle Manufactures agreed setting for line weights and all other tackle. Anchor: The proportion of fly line and leader that provides resistance and tension for a D or V loop. Anchor point: The point at which the anchor is placed. Back Cast: Where the line is delivered to the rear by movement of the rod (backwards) Back Hand Cast: A cast where the backhand is facing uppermost. Usually when made over the opposite shoulder (Unorthodox) Backing: A strong thin line, which extends the fly line and is attached to the reel. Balanced outfit: When rod, line, reel, leader and fly are matched correctly for efficiency. Belgium, Oval, Gerber Strider cast: A cast made with an elliptical movement maintaining constant tension. Consists of a side back cast and a forward overhead cast. Bloody "LÓ: Relates to the shape of an inefficient anchor not adhering to the 180% rule Bow and Arrow Cast: A cast that requires the rod to be loaded by pulling on the leader with the line hand and releasing it at the target. Butt: The bottom of the rod. Leader: Its thickest part attached to the fly line. Casting Arc: The change in angle of the rod directly above the handle between the stops Casting cycle: The movements of the rod to complete a cast Casting Stroke: Single handed- The distance the rod hand travels in either direction. Double handed- The distance the top hand travels in either direction. Change of Direction cast: Any cast that places the line back to a different position in front of the caster. Circle Spey: A change of direction cast that involves a circular motion of the rod tip in the direction of the desired anchor point (i.e. limited back space anchor usually out in front) Circle up: A continuous rod tip movement during a Spey cast that aids the formation of the D/V Loop. Clyde Style: A wet or dry fly style of fishing where the flies are fan cast upstream and down stream. Clyde style flies: A sparsely dressed wet or dry fly always tied with a short body. Compensating: Actions/movements by the caster to off set a fault. Concave PATH of the ROD TIP: The rod tip path travels/drops below the 180% line and subsequently the fly line will cross itself (Tailing loop) CONVEX PATH of the ROD TIP: The rod tip path travels above the 180% line and subsequently the fly line will open apart.(Wide or non loop) Counter flex: The continued movement of the rod tip after the stop. Creep: The shortening of a casting stroke with anticipated movement of the rod tip (This is a common casting fault) Cross Over Loop: The fly/upper leg crosses the Lower/rod leg of a loop (Relates to Roll and Spey casts) Crumpled or piled Anchor: Where the upper part of the line anchor hits the water before the end of the line and leader that subsequently causes it to crumple or collapse. Czech Nymph: A slim heavily weighted fly representing caddis larva or Gammarus shrimp. Czech Nymphing: A way of fishing Czech nymphs deeply at a dead drift in a flowing stream. D-Loop: A portion of line formed behind the rod tip in the shape of a ÔDÕ to assist in loading the rod. Used in Spey and roll casts. Dangle: The position of line and leader downstream of the caster with no slack. Distance cast: A cast of more than 50 feet (Reel to Fly) Double Spey: A cast used with restricted space in a downstream wind. It has both movements upstream and downstream to form a loop. Double taper: A fly line whose profile is thicker in the middle and has the same profile at both ends. Downstream wind: A wind that blows with the direction of the river current. Drag (Reel): Resistance applied to the spool in order to slow or brake the revolving of that spool. Drag: Fly- Unnatural movement of the fly created by current against line/leader. Line- Action of current on the fly line. Drift: Casting-Rearward movement of the rod hand after the stop to lengthen the casting stroke. Drifting: Boat- Direction of boat travel with the wind. Casting- Movement of the rod after the stop in the direction of the cast to lengthen the casting stroke of the next cast. Droppers: Short lengths of line attached to a leader to attach additional flies. Dry fly: An imitative pattern that sits on the water. Dry fly fishing: The presentation of a dry fly to catch fish. Efficient: Elliptical casts Energy Energy transfer Entomology False casting Firing Position/ Key position Fly Forward Cast French Nymphing Galway cast Grip Grip Finger Grip Thumb Grip V Handle shapes Hang (fishing of) Haul Double Haul Single Haul Triple Head Head wind Hinging Lift Immediate Relax Jump roll, switch cast, forward Spey Key Position Lead Left Bank, Right Bank Lift Line Long Belly Line mass Line Medium Belly Line Plane Line profiles Line Shooting head Line Short Belly Line Skagit Line stick Line Taper Line weight Load Loading Loch Style Loop Loop Control Loop formation Lure fishing Mend Narrow loop Negative Curve Cast Non- loop Nymph fishing Open Loop/ Wide Loop Overhead casting Overpowered Curve /Positive Curve Cast Palming Pantomiming Parallel loop Pause Perry poke Pick ups Pile cast Point P Polish Nymph Polish Nymphing Pop Positive curve Power snap Power Stroke Puddle cast Pulled or Skipped Anchor Reach Cast Reach mend Reel Reel drag Reel Seat Reel spool Retrieving Rise Rod Rod Action Rod Action Full Rod Action Medium Rod Action Tip Rod Flex Rod guides Rod Handles Rod lengths Rod Loading/ Rod Unloading Rod plane Rod Plane - Vertical Casting Plane/Horizontal Casting Plane Rod Tip path Rod Tracking Roll Cast Rolling the shoulder Rotation Running line shooting head Shooting Line Shot Gun Lift Single Spey Slack Line Slack line presentation Slip Smoothness Snap C Snap T Snap Z Spey Cast Stance Stance Closed orthodox Stance Closed Unorthodox Stance Open orthodox Stance Open Unorthodox Stance seated Steeple cast Stop Straight line path (SLP) Straight line path Streamer fishing Strip strike Stripping Stripping Guide Stroke Length Style Substance Switch cast Tail wind Tailing Loop Target plane Tempo Tension cast The Clock Face The Five Fundamentals The Stop/ Abrupt Stop Timing Tip Flex Tracking Trajectory Translation Trunking Tuck cast Turbo Spey Tweed style Under hand cast Up feed Upper Body Rotation Upstream wind V-Loop Water hauling Water Mends Weight Forward Weight Shift / Weight Transfer White Mouse Wiggle Cast Wind knot Wind Knot Working line Wrist break Wrist, elbow and shoulder pivots