FW: some are thinking on this.

forward from Robert

I liked the long answer even tho the question was not mine. I too have encountered the situation of casting a fast tip rod and overpowering the loading and then noticing the rod feeling "soft" and either piling the line or fighting to keep from getting a tailing loop. You are exactly right that the soft spot in overloading,either in overpowering the stroke or using a line line that is heavy causes a concave path. I have really had to concentrate on dipping my hand or wrist to keep the line from hitting itself (tailing loop). Lefty Kreh shows in his videos of actually raising the elbow upward to help avoid the loop from tailing and to keep a SLP. Good advice!

I will mention this, I have a very stifff rod, a Fly Logic 6/7 wt. which I love. I use a Lee Wulff triangular taper line and find that the key for casting a stiff rod, and by the way it is stiffer than the Echo competition casting rod, that following through with arm thrust as pointed out in Jason Borger's book "Nature of Fly Casting". I push my arm straight out to finish the cast and this excellent control of the line and loop formation. This thrust makes me very aware of properly stopping the stroke on the forward cast, then gently lowering the rod/line to the ground/water. A distance cast of 55 feet is no different than casting a fast tip rod 45 feet without any effort at all. And is casting the stiffest of rods I find that three key factors are essential in casting 75 plus fleet: Very fast power hauls, not shooting too much line on the false cast, and dipping the wrist to avoid tailing loops. I never make more than two false casts on a distance cast. Too much false casting on distance casts makes you want to shoot and arielize too much line which ends up dropping on the back cast.

Robert

Allen Crise <flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Responses on changing rod actions.

From Peter

maybe a tail but not enough stroke to form a good loop

From William

If you follow exactly the same stroke length and timing, you could end up chasing the snake. If you had a longer pause and the same stroke length and application of power, you line would probably pile and the loop would be possibly larger and could tail do to the stroke being to short and fast for the distance being cast.

WK

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From Walter

Tailing loop.

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I do not agree with the tailing loop or tailing loop from too much power It is where you add the power.

I can cast one handed to 55 ft. I thought you chose that to make it past the one hand casting distance of most casters.

So I am off to try it for sure. I will use the but section then a soft tip section just to make sure. YOU know I have to prove it to myself..

Back after my testing.

Changing rods or rod length did not work.

What did work was changing LINES

I took a 5 wt rod and loaded it with WF9F line it would be the soft rod.

The tried a WF3F wt line this would be the stiff rod.

I cast Tailing loops on both extremes

Gordy YOU were right again.

With the 9 wt I was overloading using the same stroke I would for the 5 wt line

With the 3 wt line I did not have any load and to my surprise I again cast tailing loops.

The rod was under loaded or not loaded acting like a straight stiff rod. My casting stroke and power had to be changes to make it cast at all. But I could not reach the 50 ft mark, with it under loaded

Thanks that is not what I was thinking would happen at all.

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ol Al...

As you know, the answer to this one is: A TAILING LOOP.

That's the short answer.

Long answer: Using no corrections to hand path or application of power, the tip path of the very soft (limber) rod will assume a CONCAVE path.

Gordy

ol Al

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