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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gordon Hill [mailto:hillshead@xxxxxxx]
    Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:32 PM
    To: North Fork Flies - Tom Cooper
    Cc: Allen Crise
    Subject: Re: FW: Compensations with stiff rod

    Tom.....
     
    With faster line speed, false casting is done with faster cadence.  This also makes it necessary for shorter pause between casts.
     
    Gordy
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:42 PM
    Subject: Fw: FW: Compensations with stiff rod

    Gordy,
     
    With the assumption that there is the same length of line out on both the softer and stiffer rods the SHORTER PAUSE is an indication of faster line speed with the stiff rod. My question is this: Is faster line speed with the stiffer rod a result of the proper mechanics to cast the stiff rod or does the higher line speed and increased force needed to load the rod mandate the stroke mechanics? Yes it is a Chicken or Egg question, but it does give a different perspective to looking at the cast.
     
    Tom Cooper
    ----- Original Message -----
    Subject: FW: FW: Compensations with stiff rod

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gordon Hill [mailto:hillshead@xxxxxxx]
    Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:46 AM
    To: Allen Crise
    Subject: Re: FW: Compensations with stiff rod

    Robert..
     
    Yes.  The caster also has to shorten pause time.  It's also necessary to change the stroke itself....not only the stroke length, as you point out, but the PATH taken by the hand which must dip downward during the stroke to compensate for the otherwise convex rod tip path.  Also necessary, is the shortening of the ROD ARC.  Shortening stroke length and diminishing rod arc results in a shorter TIP TRAVEL.  In addition, TIMING must change to increase cadence while false casting along with shorter PAUSES between strokes
     
    Summary:  To go from a softer to faster rods:
     
    1.) Shorten stroke length.
     
    2.) Use less rod arc.
     
    3.) Tip travel decreases.
     
    4.) Change timing. ( Shorter pause/faster cadence. )
     
    5.) Change stroke. ( Hand path )
     
    6.) Concentrate convexity of the rod tip path at the end of the stroke.  ("Unloading" the rod with the tip a short distance below the oncoming line as you approach RSP.
     
     
    To go from a fast rod to a slow (soft) rod, reverse the process, above.
     
    Gordy
    From: robert shigley [mailto:flyfishcaneyfork@xxxxxxxxx]
    Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:25 PM
    To: Allen Crise
    Subject: Re: FW: Compensations with stiff rod

    Hi Gordy and Group;
     
    I use a rod that is as stiff as a broom handle. It seems that the key to casting tight loops is shortening the stroke lenght, abrupt stops, exact pauses, and forward cast follow through with arm thrust. Shorter stroke lenght does infact tighten the loop.
     
    Robert

    Subject: Compensations with stiff rod

    For the Group:
     
    You made that perfect 55' cast with the medium fast rod.  Then you made exactly the same cast using the poker stiff rod.  You used exactly the same application of power, the same rod arc, and the same stroke (hand path).  This resulted in a wide or open loop.
     
    Now you figure out the compensations you need to make, and make a decent 55' cast with a reasonably small loop using that totally stiff rod.
     
    QUESTION: What compensations did you make ?  Consider any you might make with respect to:
     
    1.) Stroke. (Path taken by the hand)
     
    2.) Rod arc.
     
    3.) Timing / application of power.
     
    Gordy


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