FW: FW: Compensations with stiff rod

 

 

Allen Crise FFF Master Casting Instructor
FFF-SOC VP of Education
FWFF Education Chairman
GCC Casting Chairman

Hawk Ridge Flycasting School
2508 A County Road 1011
Glen Rose, TX 76043
Ranch 254-897-2045
 Cell 254-396-1574
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-----Original Message-----
From: WALTER/SUE SIMBIRSKI [mailto:simbirsw@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:01 AM
To: Allen Crise
Subject: Re: FW: Compensations with stiff rod

1.) Stroke. (Path taken by the hand.) - shorter

2.) Rod arc. - less (more on this later)

 

3.) Timing / application of power. - Timing - no change. Application of of power - smooth with same peak power but over a shorter time.

 

Now for the long answer -

 

Everything else being equal, fast action (stiff) rods can cast farther than medium action rods. Relative to the medium rod we can think of this a short cast. Basic casting mechanics tells us that for a short cast use a short stroke. The exception to the short cast analogy is that basic casting mechanics would tell us that for a short cast we would use a shorter pause but we are still carrying the same amount of line which means the amount of time for it to unroll remains the same so the pause at the end of the stroke (i.e. timing) remains the same.

 

With respect to the application of power, we want to get the line moving at the same speed at the end of the presentation stroke but we are using a shorter stroke. The elements of the cast remain the same - loading move followed by power snap but we have a shorter stroke and, therefore, less time to accelerate from zero to the same peak speed so while we apply more acceleration but at the same phases.

 

With respect to the arc, the stiff rod will have less counterflex at the end of the stroke so we could actually apply more arc when measured at the rod butt and maintain the same loop size but, again, this is a relatively short cast for the stiff rod so we wouldn't need to apply as much arc. With the medium action rod we would reduce the additional counterflex by using a thrust motion at the end of the stroke to impart additional energy to the line while maintaining the tight loop. With the stiff rod we would just come to a stop to maintain the same loop size.

 

Walter

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Allen Crise <flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx>

Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:04 am

Subject: FW: Compensations with stiff rod

> from Gordy 
> 
> Allen Crise FFF Master Casting 
Instructor 
> FFF-SOC VP of Education 
> FWFF Education Chairman 
> GCC Casting Chairman 
> 
> Hawk Ridge Flycasting School 
> 2508 A County Road 1011 
> Glen Rose, TX 76043 
> Ranch 
254-897-2045 
> Cell 254-396-1574 
> geocities.com/rrdoctor 
> 
flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Gordon Hill [hillshead@xxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 
19, 2006 6:50 AM 
> To: Allen Crise 
> Subject: Compensations with 
stiff rod 
> 
> 
> ol Al.... 
> 
> 
> For 
the Group: 
> 
> You made that perfect 55' cast with the medium fast 
rod. Then you 
> madeexactly the same cast using the poker stiff rod. You 
used 
> exactly the same 
> application of power, the same rod arc, 
and the same stroke (hand 
> path).This resulted in a wide or open loop. 
> 
> Now you figure out the compensations you need to make, and 
make a 
> decent 55' 
> cast with a reasonably small loop using that 
totally stiff rod. 
> 
> QUESTION: What compensations did you make ? 
Consider any you 
> might make 
> with respect to: 
> 
> 
1.) Stroke. (Path taken by the hand.) 
> 
> 2.) Rod arc. 
> 
> 3.) Timing / application of power. 
> 
> Gordy 
>