Walter & Group.........
Troy Miller on the overpowered hook cast:-
Gordy –
If you will read back through some of my replies at least a year ago, maybe two years ago, I commented that an overpowered tight loop does NOT hook much, but rather just springs back in the direction from whence it came. To create curves/hooks from overpowered sidearm casts (horizontal plane), the loops NECESSARILY MUST BE LARGE. You absolutely have to have significant centrifugal momentum to make it happen. Pure linear momentum (a very tight <1’ loop) will not hook. It is the very same issue with tuck casting in the vertical plane. You CAN’T tuck with laser tight loops. You have to open up your loop, but still overpower it. That’s a huge conundrum for many people, because overpowering usually results in a concave path for people rather than convex.
I wrote ALL of this in my book more than 25 years ago, when I discuss how expert casters understand when to use linear vs. centrifugal momentums, and in what proportion to achieve the required result. Wish I’d have gone ahead and sent it to Stackpole while Joe had them interested…
Regards -- TAM
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Troy...
I thought about that after reading Jeff's message. While staked out for tarpon with Peter Lami, I made overpowered curve casts with ever tighter loops. As these loops got smaller, it became much harder to get much of a curve or (especially) a hook. I think you are correct in that the wide loop belongs in the equation.
This also speaks to the fact that many times I (and others) fall into the trap of thinking we have invented something new with respect to fly casting and casting concepts only to find that it's been done by someone in the past. Sometimes described with different words ..... sometimes just plain done and not described for the literature. I don't claim as, "new" or "invention" anything I come up with anymore ....just other ways, perhaps, of describing what someone else probably did or noted in past years.
Tom White, of course, has dominated our thinking so much of late ... even here I note his description years ago of what he called in his teachings and in one of his old videos, "The dump cast". Much later, Jason Borger called it the, "snap cast" and the, "snap cast pickup" (pp. 252-253, The Nature of Flycasting). This may well have been the dawn of what later became known as the, "snap-T" of modern Spey casting (??????????). Dean Floyd taught me to do it with the "snap" move made with the fly still in mid-flight. He's honed this to the point of being very accurate in placing the fly behind him on targets to the right and to the left ! I suppose somebody will come up with a name for that one and claim it.
Gordy