Jeff....
I have 2 questions on the Rio Lumilux lines.
Have you tried video of casting with these against a black night background
?
Are the ridges longitudinal ? If so, that would make really good
sense, since it would limit the surface contact with the guides and tip top
during the cast. Even if the coefficient friction of the surfaces remains
constant, with the diminished surface contact area, the total amount of
frictional resistance would be less.
I'll bet that the coils of line are a lot less likely to "stick" together
in a stripping basket or on the ground or deck, too.
Tubing which we used to use in our operating rooms was of plastic.
These tubing coils would stick together and be a pain. We solved that
problem by going to longitudinally ribbed tubing. Same idea.
Gordy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:08
PM
Subject: Re: Mini quiz
Group,
I have used the Teeny night line and the rio
lumalux lines. I have used them
for trout and for warm water species
at night and find them very useful. The
lumalux also has a ridged
surface that gives less resistance in the guides and
shoots very
nicely.
I also use them to practice my casting. It is amazing how
well you can see a
glow in the dark line compared to even a bright line
during the day.
It really
helps to work on tracking and loop
shape.
Jeff Wagner
Master Certified Fly Casting Instructor,
Federation of Fly Fishers
Fly Fishing Buyer, Jax Outdoor Gear
Fly
Fishing Guide, Jax Outdoor Gear
Redington Pro Staff
Quoting
Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>:
>
Jeff....
>
> Not only stripers, but tarpon as well. I'm not
an enthusiastic night
> fisherman, though I do a lot of pre-dawn trips
leaving the dock at
> O-dark hundred. By the time I'm into a good
battle, dawn is usually
> breaking. I really love that time of
day. At the start, I try to
> make casts to the sound of the fish
feeding or slurping. With
> stripers it's blind casting unless
they are crashing baitfish.
>
> I'm award of those Aqualux glow
lines, but never used one. There
> might be some advantage to
being able to see it in the air. I'd have
> to think about
that.....better, yet, to ask someone who has found
> real advantage to
their
use.
>
>
>
Gordy
> ----- Original Message -----
>
From: JEFFERY BAREFOOT<mailto:barefootj@xxxxxxx>
>
To: Gordon Hill<mailto:hillshead@xxxxxxx>
>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re:
Mini quiz
>
>
>
Gordy,
>
>
Some of the best action for the Stripers can be at night.
> Rio
has Aqualux glow lines for the night shift. Have you tried these
> lines?
>
>
Jeff
> ----- Original Message
-----
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>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 8:44 AM
>
Subject: Re: Mini quiz
>
>
> Hi,
Jeff.....
>
> A 10 wt. system would have
made that into-the-wind with a heavy
> fly cast a bit easier, to be
sure. However, by using the techniques
> described in my answers,
we were able to get that fly out just fine
> with the 9 wt. outfit on
the 1st day. On the second day the wind and
> rain were even
worse. I switched to an 8 wt. outfit to enjoy
> catching some of
the snappers (juvenile bluefish). These fish
> weighed only about
1 lb. or less.....so the 10 wt. would have been ok
> for the
conditions, but overkill for the smaller
fish.
>
> Using these techniques including
the heavy fly (in case of a
> striper hookup) we could still make those
casts just fine with the 8
> wt.
outfit.
>
> The density compensated
sinker......even a class III line is MUCH
> more difficult to handle
under these circumstances.....and a class
> IV, almost impossible, even
though the latter would have allowed the
> use of a lighter
fly.
>
> For better than 90% of these salt
water conditions, we DO use
> intermediate lines as a really workable
compromise. This line even
> allows for the sudden switch to a
surface popper or slider without
> changing lines, for when the fish
start crashing on top.
>
> Even when I set
out to fish primarily with a popper, I elect to
> use an
intermediate....not a floating line. The floater will often
> pop
the fly right out of the water as you work it....it, also, will
> not
be as good for popping a train of attractive bubbles just under
> the
surface film.....in all, I get fewer hookups with the floater.
>
Also, the intermediate line has less diameter and bulk because it's
>
more dense than a floater of the same wt. This also helps shoot your
> loop out into the wind. I wouldn't use a full sink line,
because it
> quickly takes your fly down to kingdom come.....so it just
doesn't
> pop after the first couple of
strips.
>
> I'll often use the
intermediate line for small tarpon in water
> only 12" to 18" deep on
the flats. Then I'm also ready to fish more
> deeply at the edge
of channels without changing lines or outfits.
> The trick, here,
is to make your cast and stop it before the fly
> lands using a triple
haul (check haul).......and literally start your
> retrieve AS your fly
hits the water. That way, your intermediate
> line "becomes a
floater".
>
> Another advantage of the
Intermediate line, is that you can allow
> it to sink JUST enough to
get it below scattered floating weeds
> before
retrieving.
>
> Lastly, you can buy
intermediate lines with clear coating, or
> clear tip. I've never
run across density compensated sinkers which
> are
clear.
>
> One more reason for avoiding
that density compensated sinker, was
> that there were fierce back
currents near the sand bar. To avoid a
> belly in the retrieved
line due to this current, it was easy to make
> repeated on-the-water
mends. I doubt I could have done that with the
> heavier line.
Minimizing that current belly, made the strip-strike
> more
effective.
>
> Though I tried, I couldn't
make decent in-the-air mends when
> using that thrust cast into the
wind. There is so much loop speed
> that it straightens out the
mend every time.
>
> As Tom White teaches
so well, there are many factors which go
> into your choice of line in
fresh water or the salt:-
>
> 1. The
casting conditions, including distance and
wind.
>
> 2. Depth of water to be
fished.
>
> 3. Depth that the fish are
feeding.
>
> 4. Surface weeds or deep kelp
weeds.
>
> 5. Size of the
quarry.
>
> 6. Size of the prey upon which
the fish are feeding.
>
> 7. Size and
weight of the fly.
>
> 8, Length and
design of the leader needed.
>
> 9.
Strength and casting ability of the angler. (A 13 wt. outfit
>
might be fine for the fish and the casting conditions.......but
>
impossible for some anglers to
handle.)
>
> 10. The fighting attributes
of the fish.
>
> 11. The temperature of
the water (and the air)
>
> 12. The
ferocity of the sun's rays. (Tropic lines have sun
> screens
added to the coating, and are
stiffer.)
>
> 13. The need to change lines
or heads frequently. (As in fishing
> for Salmon and Steelhead in
Alaskan rivers with different river
> depths and current velocities,
etc.)
>
> 14. Weather you wish to GET the
fly down deep, or KEEP it down
> deep for your fly to have a long
sojourn in the strike zone. (For the
> former, a sink tip.....for the
latter, a full sink density
> compensated, with class designation
appropriate to the depth and
> current
velocity.)
>
> 14. I guess we should
add, ANGLER PREFERENCE.....the, " Je ne
> sais quoi". (One angler
finding his choice more suited to his
> fishing style than that of
another.)
>
> Good stuff to keep us
thinking
!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
Gordy
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: JEFFERY BAREFOOT<mailto:barefootj@xxxxxxx>
>
To: Gordon Hill<mailto:hillshead@xxxxxxx>
>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:13
PM
> Subject: Re: Mini
quiz
>
>
> Hi
Gordy,
>
>
Having the opportunity, and the option, would you have
> preferred a 10
wt. in this situation instead of your nine? I get a
> lot
of different opinions from different anglers on which line weight
>
tackle to use for unprotected waters. Also for most unprotected
>
inshore situations most get 90% of it done w/an intermediate line.
> Every so often for some situations a compensated sinker. An now
and
> then a floater. What are your thoughts on
this.
>
>
Jeff
>
>
>
----- Original Message
-----
>
>
>
From: Gordon Hill<mailto:hillshead@xxxxxxx>
>
To: Kirk Eberhard<mailto:captkirk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
; Chuck
> Easterling<mailto:creangler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
; Lawrence
> Baggett<mailto:glbaggett@xxxxxxxxx> ; Randy
> Olson<mailto:bigfly@xxxxxxxxx> ; Steve
> Jacob<mailto:scjacobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
Rick
> Whorwood<mailto:whorwood@xxxxxxxxx> ; Dennis
> Grant<mailto:dennisg@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ; John
> Wilson<mailto:flyfishar@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; Dan
> Wright<mailto:dwright@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Bob
> Andreae<mailto:sobbobfish@xxxxxxx> ; Dusty
> Sprague<mailto:dsprague01@xxxxxxxxxxx> ;
Peter
> Minnick<mailto:pminnick@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
Marty
> Tannahil<mailto:martyt@xxxxxxxxxx> ; Jim
> Brady<mailto:bradyir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Tom
> White<mailto:tomwhite@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Ken
> Cole<mailto:ken.cole@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
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> Chard<mailto:CAPTPERMIT@xxxxxxx> ; Roman
> Glemba<mailto:flycasts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
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> Tabbert<mailto:rtab@xxxxxxx> ; Allen Crise<mailto:flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx>
> ;
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> Logan<mailto:niallogan@xxxxxxxxxx> ; Doug
> Hart<mailto:captdoug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Hassan<mailto:sheila@xxxxxxxxxx> ; Floyd
> Franke<mailto:ephemera@xxxxxxx>
>
Cc: Jerry Iverson<mailto:iverson@xxxxxxxxx> ; Gary
> Meyer<mailto:gladesflybum@xxxxxxxxx> ;
Charlie
> Shedd<mailto:crazycharlie@xxxxxxx> ; Clay
> Roberts<mailto:croberts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Rumph<mailto:caddis@xxxxxxx> ; Bill
>
Howland<mailto:mildbill@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
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> Simbirski<mailto:simbirsw@xxxxxxx> ;
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; Kathleen
> Wagner<mailto:kathleen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Sox<mailto:DermSox@xxxxxxx> ; Kim
>
Boal<mailto:thedamselfly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Rhash<mailto:ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
Peter
> Lami<mailto:plami@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; gavin
> platz<mailto:gavin@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; Ron
Kerr<mailto:kerrrc@xxxxxxxxx> ;
>
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> Nims<mailto:Brydnlnims@xxxxxxxxxxx> ;
Dana
> Stern<mailto:blacksalmon@xxxxxxxxxxx> ;
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> Simons<mailto:jfs523@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; Cezanne
> Alexander<mailto:cezannealexander@xxxxxxxxxxx>
; Don
> Jackson<mailto:donjack@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; Michael
> Gallert<mailto:trallag@xxxxxxx> ; Douglas
> Swift<mailto:douglas.swift@sympaticoca>
; Cathy Lee
> Hill<mailto:hillcathy@xxxxxxx> ; Jim
Valle<mailto:jfv@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
> Ron
Pedegana<mailto:fraudflies@xxxxxxx> ; Bob
> Beanblossom<mailto:bobbeanblossom@xxxxxxx> ;
Tom
> Bell<mailto:snowmonkey29@xxxxxxx> ; Frank
> Ogden<mailto:flyfsfrank@xxxxxxx> ; Jim
> Phillips<mailto:skifishvail@xxxxxxxx> ; Ken
> Cole<mailto:ken.cole@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
Jeff
> Wagner<mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Jim
> Penrod<mailto:t.maltese@xxxxxxxxx> ;
> gregrahe<mailto:gregrahe@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; Molly
> Semenik<mailto:mollysemenik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
; Ian
> Muirhead<mailto:ianmuirhead@xxxxxxx> ; Shane
> Morrison<mailto:shane@xxxxxxxxx> ; Ernie
>
Maynard<mailto:erniemaynard@xxxxxxxxxxx>
; Paul
> Arden<mailto:paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:00
PM
> Subject: Mini
quiz
>
>
>
Group....
>
> I
sent you what I felt were the best answers......shows that
> there are
many ways of "skinning the cat" in solving fly casting
>
problems.
>
> One
method which would have worked, is to walk way
> back......65-70 feet
on the sand bar, then place the fly there on the
> sand. Walk
back to the casting position with the rod pointed way
> back toward the
fly.....and a straight line between the rod tip and
> the
Clouser. A good forward stroke will now do the job especially if
> it's done with a really tight loop in to the wind. Problem is
that
> the set up takes a lot too
long!
>
>
>
Gordy
>
>
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