Walter....
Correct !
Gordy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:59
AM
Subject: Re: Goofed.
Gordy - Jason calls it a Maloney Technique.
Cheers
Walter
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:39
AM
Subject: Re: Goofed.
Walter....
No....I can't recall having seen this in print.
With that power snap with the rod way down in horizontal plane, one
does have to be careful of where the STOP is placed in order to prevent a
hook layout to the line hand side. With a little practice, the caster
can do either just fine.
As I think about this, I'm reminded that there are innumerable, "casts"
that we make to solve local problems which will never make it into
print. One example which I would hesitate to teach for fear that I'd
be quoted out of context, is the purposely done well controlled tailing loop
which I'll rarely use to flip a popper under an overhanging mangrove.
(This one, however, IS mentioned in Jason Borger's book. He called it
a, "Maloney Cast", as I recall.) The true expert fly angler with many
years of experience will have many casting maneuvers which have no
names.
For this reason, Tom White prefers to "name" casts only as
necessary. He'd rather have the student understand the casting problem
and its solution than to have him/her go by names. I've heard him
explore the depth of the candidate's knowledge at every turn with comments
like, "Don't give me a name, tell me and show me what you do." That
helps define the candidate who has a real understanding of what's going on
from the one who has memorized a litany of of canned terms and
expressions.
Taken from baseball, "It's one thing to talk a good game. It's
another to PLAY a good game ! "
Gordy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005
11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Goofed.
Hey Gordy!
I had an opportunity to try this out last
night on the river. I was fishing with a 3 weight rod and a rather brisk
wind came up so I thought I would give it a try. The term "outward swing"
does appear to be misleading. I actually took the description to be one of
two possibilities - the first was the reverse Belgian cast idea as you
describe. This would involve a relatively gently swing to the
outside.
The second was the idea of making a very sudden change in
the rod direction from forward to the outside as a kind of sideways power
snap (hard enough with a light rod but it would be very difficult with a
heavier rod). A number of things happen when you do this - one is that you
can get a very pronounced stop in the forward direction, the second was
that the loop moves from a vertical to a horizontal plane as you describe,
the third is that you can actually form a very tight loop because the rod
tip is moved in a horizontal plane rather than vertical and you don't have
to contend with the affect of gravity or the bounce of the rod as it
passes its straight position and returns on the loop formation so you
don't need to move the rod tip very far to get it out of the way of the
line.
Personally, I'll stick with a basic casting stroke combined
with the double haul, but I recall reading a fly casting instruction
manual back in the 60's that advocated a horizontal casting plane rather
than vertical. This was for an overhead casting stroke (not sidearm) and
the rod tip was moved in a path resembling a race track. I haven't been
able to find any references to this casting style since then. I would be
curious to know if you've seen this
anywhere.
Cheers
Walter
----- Original Message
-----
From: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Date:
Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:34 am
Subject: Re: Goofed.
>
Walter.....
>
> I saw a similar description, many years
ago.
>
> The wording all makes sense, until you get to the,
"outward
> swing". I interpret this, however, to mean that
the caster is
> using a horizontal rod plane for his delivery
cast.....not swing
> his arm out to the side, which would be
self-defeating.
>
> A change of rod planes between the back
stroke and the forward
> stroke is a key element of the elliptical
or, so-called, "Belgian
> cast".
> As you know, this can take
several forms. Most casters use the
> term to mean a cast in
which the back cast is made with the rod in
> a horizontal plane,
and the delivery stroke made with a more
> vertical rod
plane.
>
> Of course, the reason the cast became known as
the, "Belgian
> cast", was that it was used by a Belgian named
Albert Godart to
> win a distance fly casting event in
international competition in
> the 1930's.
>
> I have
been told that he did that, however, using what I have
> called a,
"Reverse Belgian Cast" in that his cast was actually
> made
using an off vertical rod plane for his back cast, and a
>
horizontal rod plane for his forward delivery. His style may have
> been explained by his physical habitus. He was described as
a
> short, stocky, very powerfully muscled man. I have found
this
> cast to be very effective for certain high wind
>
situations......particularly when wading sand bars in the salt.
>
> This may explain the dilemma provided by the fact that the cast
> was named for him at a European competition where there surely
had
> to have been other continental casters familiar with the
> "continuous tension" cast of Hans Gebesroither in Austria who is
> credited with fathering this kind of elliptical cast which he
> taught to Charles Ritz and many others during his years of being
> head keeper on the Traun.
>
> Fascinating stuff
!!!!!
>
>
>
Gordy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
Walter Simbirski<')" >simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
> To: Gordon
Hill<')" >hillshead@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday,
October 26, 2005 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Goofed.
>
>
> No problem - here it is
>
>
Gordy -
>
> Just picked up a fly casting booklet
published in 1941. It
> describes something called the wind cast
for casting into the
> wind. The cast is similar to an overhead
cast with a high back
> cast but "the forward cast is made in a
powerful manner down
> toward the front with an outward swing."
>
> "Properly executed as to height of back cast,
pause, and degree
> of outward movement on the forward cast,
coupled with the right
> amount of vim and power on the forward
stroke, this cast will make
> the line cut into the wind much
better than a straight overhead
> cast - hence its name.
>
> The angler will not care to use this method save as a
matter of
> necessity, for it is hard on both wrist and
rod."
>
> Are you familiar with this cast? Does it
really work? Can it be
> coupled with a haul?
>
> Also has some interesting info on equipment such as fly
lines.
> Oiled silk was considered the cheapest fly line but not
> recommended at the time. Enameled lines were considered very good
> and nylon was the best available at the time.
>
> Cheers
>
>
Walter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gordon Hill<')"
>hillshead@xxxxxxx>
> To: Walter
Simbirski<')" >simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
> Sent:
Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:32 AM
> Subject:
Goofed.
>
>
> Walter...
>
> I accidentally erased your message this
morning. Can you send
> it, again?
>
>
>
Gordy
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