Walter....
Agree.
Gordy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Goofed.
Yep - I think the "wind cast" is not one I want to
recommending for regular use. It's more of a curiosity. It's also
a good thing (I think) to be aware of some of the lesser
known variants for times when one runs into a special
situation, such as a handicapped
student or casting into a difficult lie. That's one of the things that makes
fly casting/fishing a life long journey.
Thanks
Walter
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:39
AM
Subject: Re: Goofed.
Walter....
No....I can't recall having seen this in print.
With that power snap with the rod way down in horizontal plane, one does
have to be careful of where the STOP is placed in order to prevent a hook
layout to the line hand side. With a little practice, the caster can do
either just fine.
As I think about this, I'm reminded that there are innumerable, "casts"
that we make to solve local problems which will never make it into
print. One example which I would hesitate to teach for fear that I'd be
quoted out of context, is the purposely done well controlled tailing loop
which I'll rarely use to flip a popper under an overhanging mangrove.
(This one, however, IS mentioned in Jason Borger's book. He called it a,
"Maloney Cast", as I recall.) The true expert fly angler with many years
of experience will have many casting maneuvers which have no names.
For this reason, Tom White prefers to "name" casts only as
necessary. He'd rather have the student understand the casting problem
and its solution than to have him/her go by names. I've heard him
explore the depth of the candidate's knowledge at every turn with comments
like, "Don't give me a name, tell me and show me what you do." That
helps define the candidate who has a real understanding of what's going on
from the one who has memorized a litany of of canned terms and
expressions.
Taken from baseball, "It's one thing to talk a good game. It's
another to PLAY a good game ! "
Gordy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:27
AM
Subject: Re: Goofed.
Hey Gordy!
I had an opportunity to try this out last
night on the river. I was fishing with a 3 weight rod and a rather brisk
wind came up so I thought I would give it a try. The term "outward swing"
does appear to be misleading. I actually took the description to be one of
two possibilities - the first was the reverse Belgian cast idea as you
describe. This would involve a relatively gently swing to the
outside.
The second was the idea of making a very sudden change in
the rod direction from forward to the outside as a kind of sideways power
snap (hard enough with a light rod but it would be very difficult with a
heavier rod). A number of things happen when you do this - one is that you
can get a very pronounced stop in the forward direction, the second was that
the loop moves from a vertical to a horizontal plane as you describe, the
third is that you can actually form a very tight loop because the rod tip is
moved in a horizontal plane rather than vertical and you don't have to
contend with the affect of gravity or the bounce of the rod as it passes its
straight position and returns on the loop formation so you don't need to
move the rod tip very far to get it out of the way of the
line.
Personally, I'll stick with a basic casting stroke combined
with the double haul, but I recall reading a fly casting instruction manual
back in the 60's that advocated a horizontal casting plane rather than
vertical. This was for an overhead casting stroke (not sidearm) and the rod
tip was moved in a path resembling a race track. I haven't been able to find
any references to this casting style since then. I would be curious to know
if you've seen this anywhere.
Cheers
Walter
-----
Original Message -----
From: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday,
October 27, 2005 5:34 am
Subject: Re: Goofed.
>
Walter.....
>
> I saw a similar description, many years
ago.
>
> The wording all makes sense, until you get to the,
"outward
> swing". I interpret this, however, to mean that the
caster is
> using a horizontal rod plane for his delivery
cast.....not swing
> his arm out to the side, which would be
self-defeating.
>
> A change of rod planes between the back
stroke and the forward
> stroke is a key element of the elliptical
or, so-called, "Belgian
> cast".
> As you know, this can take
several forms. Most casters use the
> term to mean a cast in
which the back cast is made with the rod in
> a horizontal plane, and
the delivery stroke made with a more
> vertical rod plane.
>
> Of course, the reason the cast became known as the, "Belgian
> cast", was that it was used by a Belgian named Albert Godart to
> win a distance fly casting event in international competition in
> the 1930's.
>
> I have been told that he did that,
however, using what I have
> called a, "Reverse Belgian Cast"
in that his cast was actually
> made using an off vertical rod plane
for his back cast, and a
> horizontal rod plane for his forward
delivery. His style may have
> been explained by his physical
habitus. He was described as a
> short, stocky, very powerfully
muscled man. I have found this
> cast to be very effective for
certain high wind
> situations......particularly when wading sand
bars in the salt.
>
> This may explain the dilemma provided by
the fact that the cast
> was named for him at a European competition
where there surely had
> to have been other continental casters
familiar with the
> "continuous tension" cast of Hans Gebesroither in
Austria who is
> credited with fathering this kind of elliptical cast
which he
> taught to Charles Ritz and many others during his years of
being
> head keeper on the Traun.
>
> Fascinating stuff
!!!!!
>
>
>
Gordy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Walter
Simbirski<')" >simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
> To: Gordon
Hill<')" >hillshead@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday,
October 26, 2005 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Goofed.
>
>
> No problem - here it is
>
> Gordy
-
>
> Just picked up a fly casting booklet published in
1941. It
> describes something called the wind cast for casting into
the
> wind. The cast is similar to an overhead cast with a high back
> cast but "the forward cast is made in a powerful manner down
> toward the front with an outward swing."
>
>
"Properly executed as to height of back cast, pause, and degree
> of
outward movement on the forward cast, coupled with the right
> amount
of vim and power on the forward stroke, this cast will make
> the
line cut into the wind much better than a straight overhead
> cast -
hence its name.
>
> The angler will not care to use this
method save as a matter of
> necessity, for it is hard on both wrist
and rod."
>
> Are you familiar with this cast? Does it
really work? Can it be
> coupled with a haul?
>
>
Also has some interesting info on equipment such as fly lines.
>
Oiled silk was considered the cheapest fly line but not
> recommended
at the time. Enameled lines were considered very good
> and nylon was
the best available at the time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Walter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gordon Hill<')"
>hillshead@xxxxxxx>
> To: Walter
Simbirski<')" >simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
> Sent:
Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:32 AM
> Subject:
Goofed.
>
>
> Walter...
>
> I accidentally erased your message this
morning. Can you send
> it, again?
>
>
>
Gordy
|