Rick...
Thanks. I'll pass this on.
Gordy
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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:01
AM
Subject: RE: Hot and cold fly rods
Hi
Gordy
Yes, if I?m going to
be casting/fishing all day, and especially if I?m using sink tips,
etc.
No, if I?m only
fishing/casting a few hours, but I check them regularly
When I teach a
course, I teach rod assembly and how to tape the joints usually first. I call
this $1.00 dollar insurance; it cost about $1.00 for a roll of electricians
tape. I also suggest anyone using heavy sink tips (single hand) should
consider taping their rod.
Rick
From: Gordon
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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:38
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Subject: Re: Hot and cold fly
rods
While Steve is
probably right within practical parameters, I can't help but note that most
materials, including composites, become more brittle when cold. I
suspect that if you took two identical fly rod tips and placed one out in the
sun; the other in the freezer, that the one just out of the freezer would
break with a lot less stress than the other. These are extremes,
however.
I HAVE noted that
my ferrules are a little more likely to loosen up with rapid changes in
temperature, and it's well known that if you cast with a loose ferrule, you
are a LOT more likely to break a rod.
This rarely
happens when I fish at home in the Keys, but I have noted loose ferrules while
fishing during the cool of the past week in N.Y. as the likely result of
stepping my rod in the warmth of the indoors, and then taking it out to
fish. I recognized this before breaking
one.
I would think this
would be an even bigger problem with Spey rods, because of the tremendous
torsional stresses when casting these. (Of course we don't usually step those
long rods indoors.)
Brings me to a
question. Do you tape your Spey rod ferrules
???
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October
29, 2005 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: Hot and cold
fly rods
Hi
Gordy
A number of years
ago I fished the Thompson River with Brad
Michael, I watched him break two rods one after the other, I questioned how
this might happen. It was an extremely cold day, and he was casting about
100ft (two-hand rod). I asked Steve Rajeff a number of questions, about the
cold, the heat and if this could affect the rods, I honestly can?t remember
the entire questioning, but there were a number. After many e-mails, Steve
just simply said that weather will not affect the blank. Breakage is due to
poor design or the blank being damaged. I know you didn?t break a rod but
maybe this might give you your answer. I let Brad use one of my Loomis rods
the rest of the trip, he didn?t break it, and started carrying Loomis in his
shop shortly there after.
Rick
From: Gordon Hill
[mailto:hillshead@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:59
AM
To: Kirk Eberhard; Chuck
Easterling; Lawrence Baggett; Randy Olson; Steve Jacob; Rick Whorwood;
Dennis Grant; John Wilson; Dan Wright; Bob Andreae; Dusty Sprague; Peter
Minnick; Marty Tannahil; Jim Brady; Tom White; Ken Cole; Bruce Chard; Roman
Glemba; Bob Tabbert; Allen Crise; Dave Rothrock; Gary Wood; Jake Jordan;
Mark Kreider; Jeffery Barefoot; Tom Harper; Nial Logan; Doug Hart; Sheila
Hassan; Floyd Franke
Cc:
Jerry Iverson; Gary Meyer; Charlie Shedd; Clay Roberts; Bob Rumph; Bill
Howland; Walter Simbirski; hillshead@xxxxxxx; Kathleen Wagner; Dermon Sox;
Kim Boal; Ray Rhash; Peter Lami; gavin platz; Ron Kerr; Jerry Puckett; Bryan
Nims; Dana Stern; Jerry Simons; Cezanne Alexander; Don Jackson; Michael
Gallert; Douglas Swift; Cathy Lee Hill; Jim Valle; Ron Pedegana; Bob
Beanblossom; Tom Bell; Frank Ogden; Jim Phillips; Ken Cole; Jeff Wagner; Jim
Penrod; Molly Semenik; Shane Morrison; Ernie Maynard; Paul Arden; Harvey
Harris
Subject: Hot and
cold fly rods
I got to
thinking this morning. While using my 8wt 9' Loomis rod with the
cooler weather, (37 degrees), I couldn't help but feel that it flexed
differently than it did in the hot Florida sun. Granted, the line was
changed to a more flexible one of the same
label.
Now I know that
I am not quite as flexible when fishing when cold. That was certainly
true on my Alaska trips, and we've known for a long
time that line and leader flexibility change with big changes in
temperature, but:
WHAT ABOUT THE
FLEXIBILITY OF FLY RODS ?????
Intuitively, I
suspect that their modulus of elasticity and, therefore, their flexibility
may well be such that they become relatively stiffer when
cold.
Do any of you
know of any studies to show this ?????
Could this be
one additional reason that many great casters I've hosted who come from cold
water areas have problems casting when they get out on the flats in the
blazing sun ??????.......and why I seem to have to take a bit of time to,
"adjust" when I start casting in colder climes.??? (I start by making
some embarrassingly poor casts as I try for distance in the cold. By
going for less distance, and making lots of casts, I get back in
shape.....but it takes many casts 'till I
do.)
Let me know what
you think.
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