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From: "Bob Rumpf - The Flye & The Pen" <caddis@xxxxxxx>
To: "Gordon Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Minor observations on drift (and creep)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:50:29 -0500
Hi Gordy & group,Would it not be correct to state that "creep" is usually an unintentional movement of the hand in the opposite direction of the unfurling loop, which may cause an erratic application of power due to shortened stroke length.While "drift" is usually an intentional movement of the hand toward the unfurling loop, and is used by knowledgeable casters to increase the length of the stroke, keep contact with the line and reposition the hand for proper tracking.I underlined the word "usually" to indicate that in casting things are rarely etched in stone. If someone would want to nit-pick you can almost always find exceptions to the rule. Now that I said that, there thankfully are some constants, like the essentials. But even with the essentials, I would state clearly that they apply to a straight-line cast, because you are hardly eliminating slack when you make a slack line cast.Regards,Bob RumpfSent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:40 AMSubject: Re: Minor observations on drift (and creep)Harvey...
Just to be more complete, some have thought to include the movement of creep within the stroke, whereas others have felt that it is NOT part of the stroke, but a move which actually shortens the available stroke length.
The latter way of looking at that, is an explanation as to why, "creep" often yelds a tailing loop.........it can shorten the stroke which tends to be sensed by the caster who then applies acompensatory spike of additional power during the stroke.
That provides a sudden dip in the path of the rod tip followed by a return which yields a concave rod tip path. That "wave" is translated to a collision as the fly end of the loop dips below and often into the rod end......ie. a tail.
In addition, it has been pointed out that one way of intentionally shortening one's stroke is the purposeful addition of what we call creep. There are rare instances when a caster might wish to do that. When done for a particular purpose, and controlled so that it is not followed by erratic application of power, it can become a subtle but useful tool rather than a defect.
Gordy
Gordy
From: Hlhpc@xxxxxxx
To: hillshead@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Minor observations on drift (and creep)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:11:38 EST
hi gordy- just looked at your comments on "drift" vs "creep". would'nt the difference be in a premature movement of the rod hand in the opposite direction of the unfurling line. in essence, a lack of timing.harvey harris