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    Walter ...

    A couple of nit picking comments:

    If I remember my physics well, Work = energy x time.

    That gets to the heart of what you are saying.  The smooth caster with a long arm really has the advantage in the long run, because that caster applies the same amount of energy over slightly greater time and with a longer tip travel because his stroke length can be longer.

    The short arm caster may have greater strength or not.  If he does, he still must overcome the long arm casters advantage by doing a number of possible things.  That's why short arm casters like Joan Wulff rely partly on shooting line on the last back cast for a , "pre-load", and the use of more body action.  She's been an accomplished dance instructor, so the latter enters her distance style as what has been aptly named, "self optimization".

                                                                             Gordy




     


    From: WALTER/SUE SIMBIRSKI <simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
    To: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
    Subject: Re: FW: Re: STOP?
    Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:24:38 -0700
    Gordy - throwing in my 2 cents worth - its all about speed/velocity.

    From physics -
    work = energy = force x distance = 1/2 x mass x velocity x velocity

    If we cut the amount of force in half then we need to double the distance
    it is applied over to get the same velocity. With a longer/slower stop, if
    the stop happens at the same point as a more crisp stop, we are not applying
    as much forward force over the same distance.

    Eventually we "run out of arm". If we haven't applied as much force as possible
    up to that point we have lost the opportunity to impart energy to the line. This
    translates to slower line speed which translates to less distance cast.

    This goes back to each athlete taking advantage of their individual attributes.
    A long armed caster doesn't have the same leverage advantage as someone who
    has short arms so it is difficult for the long armed caster to apply the same
    amount of force. On the other hand, the long armed caster can take advantage
    of a longer casting stroke to impart energy to the line. The short armed caster
    will also need more control of their timing because the additional force means
    greater load applied which results in greater bend in the rod.

    The long armed caster could improve their ability to apply force through strength
    training but we are talking about elite casters and I'm assuming they've done
    everything they can to build strength and optimize their stroke.

    Not really making any point here. Just trying to organize thoughts on the matter.

    One more really trivial point - a slower stop does not mean more energy is lost
    in the form of heat because not as much energy has been entered into the system
    in the first place.

    Thanks for listening to my ramblings.

    Walter









     


    From: Jeff Wagner <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    To: Paul Arden <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    CC: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
    Subject: Re: STOP?
    Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:47:31 -0700