ol Al....
Gary is absolutely correct in his description of ulnar deviation and radial deviation.
These are much better terms than , "open" and "closed" positions of the wrist which to me as an orthopaedic surgeon are more descriptive of flexion and extension.
Again, the problem of understanding emerges, for few casters are likely to know these true anatomical terms.
Perhaps something like, "thumbward deviation" or, "pinky finger deviation" would get the point across without having to teach strictly correct anatomic terms as we teach fly casting.
Gordy
From: "Allen Crise" <flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "gordon Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: FW: Wristing
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:41:19 -0600
Howdy Gordy
OK Doc.
Allen Crise FFF Master Casting Instructor
SOC VP of Education
Hawk Ridge Flycasting School
2508 A County Road 1011
Glen Rose, TX 76043
254-897-2045
geocities.com/rrdoctor
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From: geaton@xxxxxxx [mailto:geaton@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:30 PM
To: flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Wristing
Allen,
I suspect I teach more health care types because I live in the second
highest physician density (behind Rochester, MN) in the U.S. The correct
anatomical description for "wrist closing" is "ulnar deviation" named
after the forearm bone on the pinky finger side of the hand, the ulna. The
opposite is "radial deviation" named after the forearm bone on the thumb
side of the hand, the radius. Since we are describing an arc, the word
deviation could reasonably be changed to "rotation". This proper
application of anatomic terminology seems easier and more universal than
the terms closing or opening.
As an example the backcast in Joan Wulff's video is "radial rotation" and
the forward cast is "ulnar rotation". If we adopt the standard terminology
of anatomy and athletics, we help our sport mesh with the sciences. Nobody
disputes application of physics to casting or biology to fishing. Why not
apply anatomy to the physical biomechanics of our art?
Gary
> Howdy Gang,
> This I sent out to some of you early this week. Went one of the other
> sites
> was discussion on stops and wristing.
>
> Let me step in here and let you in on something.
> Rotation of the wrist in the direction of the cast will give you a
> greater ARC. Moving the wrist/hand forward and backward will give you
> stroke. The combination of the two, arc and stroke, will give you Tip
> Travel.
> The old way of teaching fly casting was to hold the wrist stiff. Guess
> what
> that give you no ARC
> If you can watch a Joan Wulff tape on casting She uses the terms
> opening
> and closing the Wrist. Yea she teaches Wristing. It is where the
> rotation happens that makes it work.
> Stroke comes first then the rotation. You might say big muscles of the
> shoulder and arm get it moving,.Then the smaller muscles of the wrist
> give it the speed. This rotation or turn over of the rod we measure at
> the Reel seat or butt of the rod in degrees of arc.
> Short cast small stroke small arc.
> Long cast long stroke large arc.
> If you can not find a Joan Tape let me know.
> Allen Crise FFF Master Casting Instructor
> SOC VP of Education
> Hawk Ridge Flycasting School
> 2508 A County Road 1011
> Glen Rose, TX 76043
> 254-897-2045
> geocities.com/rrdoctor
> flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx