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[GH] Here is Paul Arden's video of the "Upside down loop" and related roll cast. I think this Paul has clearly demonstrated this along with its alternatives and uses. He covers a lot in 61.9 mb.
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[GH] Paul,
Well done!
Master candidates should study your tape carefully .... not so much to learn those casts than to absorb your crystal clear manner of teaching.... Great, "explain and demonstrate" technique.
Thanks.
Gordy
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[GH] From Ally Gowans:
Hi Gordy,
There are many uses for a “dead line” roll cast but I doubt whether many of them are really “dead line” which would mean that the cast started with no movement of the line relative to the water and therefore no tension. If there is tension the line will move and so it’s not dead line. Without movement the dead line will hang vertically from the rod tip and slack will occur. Most people start by moving the rod opposite to the casting direction on a semi-elliptical tip path that then changes plane and rotates forwards make a D loop and complete – strictly speaking this is not a dead line cast which I understand consists only of forward motion.
Perhaps the most common essential use for near to dead line roll casting is to lift sunken line to the surface and also from a teaching point of view it’s ideal to teach roll casting first so that students can later successfully recover from poorly executed overhead type casts.
Best regards,
Ally Gowans
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[GH] Ally,
If the static D-loop has been formed as part of the roll cast "set-up" and is lying on the grass, then I'd think it would be hard to argue that it is not a DEAD LINE. When candidates are being tested on grass, that slack between the rod tip and he D-loop on the ground is one of several reasons that the roll cast is far more difficult to perform well than when done on water.
Different when the D-loop is on water for the reasons you point out. I've always felt that when roll casting, the tension from behind is more important than the "line stick" or anchor in front for loading the rod.
Gordy
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