Walter & Group...
Dave Lambert sends a message as to what he'd like to see on the FFF Website.
Check out the video links.... especially the ones by Tim Rajeff. These are timely as we get ready to launch a new topic on fly rods.
Gordy
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Gordy -
I think a top quality casting site might inject new life and
energy into the FFF and it's website. It should appeal both to new and
experienced casters. Often a brainstorm session is what supercharges new
projects like this. Maybe at this year's national.
I think a couple
of broad categories might be in order. (See attachment, please.)
These
webpages might contain simple written explanations and diagrams, all hotlinked
to video demos of the the concept, cast, or topic.
Such an approach would
be useful for virtually all types or 'learners,' including those who need or
want written, visual and/or verbal explanations.
Also, why not
establish a blog or a casting forum where ideas and topics can be freely
discussed? Maybe the BOG could serve as moderators? Or masters could be
assigned specific dates and duties as moderators. Maybe try to combine all
FFF discussion groups like yours and Al's into one large forum with access to
all; or if that gets unwieldy, have a dedicated forum for all certified
casters.
About Videos
- High quality and high resolution, please
so instructors can slow them down and use them as learning tools.
- Specify
which casts for which fish or set aside regions or global sections where casts
would be used.
- I like Tim Rajeff's clear, simple style on power vs
stiffness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CjYibqSFJE
and describing fly lines: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBpoJJr2iA&feature=related
Very
clear explanations for beginners and guys like me.
Also, don't reinvent,
adapt. Much of this material exists already; even these ideas are a rehash. The
FFF site may simply link to them, it, or create their own, with permissions, of
course.
Just some thoughts.
David
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FLY ROD CHARACTERISTICS
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We hear and read about fly rod differences with respect to POWER, STRENGTH and ACTION. Seems that these terms mean different things to different casters and authors.
To start our topic on fly rods, I was pleased to get this message from Kirk Eberhard :-
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Hi Gordy,
Peter Herbert is a member of our two hand
study group. He had questions relating to rod action vs power and
contacted rod manufacturers for answers. A possible topic for
your group. See his questions at the end.
Kirk
-------Original Message-------
Hello Capt. Kirk, hope you have/had a great trip !
If you remember, a short while ago we had a quiz and one
of the questions, T or F, is rod action the resistance to bending. I
mentioned to you this was always a confusing thing for me, rod
action, flex, etc., so I called a few rod company's
and asked for an engineer for some technical support. here are some of the
replys
At the bottom this letter you will see the same questions i asked
each company.
Scott Rod Co., after a 10sec. pause.
"Complicated", Rod action is the combination of flex and
recovery and how the rod generates line seed. The "flex profile is related
to the resistance to bending. Was not able to explain flex profile to
me.
St Croix Rod Co. Action is where the rod flexes under load. Flex is
related to action but could not explain.
Winston Rod Co. Rod action is HOW the rod flexes under load and how
much line speed it generatesand how fast the rod recovers
Loomis Rod Co. Rod action is where the rod bends under load and how
fast it recovers. Flex and power is the force you need to load the
rod, which is the resistance to bending.
Echo Rod Co. Rod action, same as Loomis. Flex
and power is how to measure action. Echo has the best explaination if you
go to the web site.
Sage Rod Co., is below. after a 15 to 20 sec. pause, I was asked to
email tb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx TBs'
return next. ???
--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Tim Biesendorfer <timb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> From: Tim Biesendorfer <timb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: Rod action, flex
> To: "Peter Hebert" <pierreabear@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:31 PM
> Hi Peter,
>
> I do remember the conversation. Here is an illustration I
> made for this and text I wrote for a customer a few months
> ago.
>
> " Attached are two pictorials describing rod actions and
> loop formations. Generally have a "faster" rod means two
> things. One, it is stiffer and two, the graphite recovery
> rate is shorter. Graphite recovery isn't really defined
but
> could be closely compared to spring rate. So the time it
> takes from point a to point b.
>
> So what happens when you pull something back with "spring"
> and is very rigid and has more potential energy than a
> "softer" action rod. If a rod has more potential energy,
it
> can transfer that to the line which will develop more
> kinetic energy (line speed).
>
> Another way rod actions affect loop shape is the distance
> from the ... let's call "ceiling" to "floor" of the rod
> stroke. This can be better seen in the diagrams.
>
> So why do I need more line speed? Simple, air pressure
> builds up in front of the line. So the more speed, the
more
> power, the easier it is for the line to punch through that
> barrier. Also, a tighter loop as less air pressure in
front
> of it because the surface area of the line is not as great
> as a tall loop."
>
> Hope this helps,
> Tim
>
>
> Tim Biesendorfer
> Sage Manufacturing
> Redington Tackle & Apparel
> Bainbridge Island, WA
>
> Office: 206-842-6608
> Direct: 206-780-8738
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Check out the attachment which accompanied Tim's message.
Gordy
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