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    Walter & Group...

    We have some timely & important comments to my message on the roll cast tasks on the MCCI exam from Guy Manning :

    Guy....
     
    Thanks for calling attention to these two things.  They do need to be aired, especially since the MCCI Committee is busy refining and re-wording some of the "expectations".
     
      I placed my return comments in your text in bold italics.  Gordy.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Guy Manning [mailto:grhen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
    Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 8:07 PM
    To: 'Gordy Hill'
    Subject: Roll Cast

    4.) For Task # 7 : Demonstrate a roll cast using a single haul, shooting line to achieve a distance of 55 feet or more.   The expectations are stated as follows: " A dynamic, thrown D or V loop, e.g., a 'flick-lift', positioned approximately 180 degrees from the target, is expected on this task.  Consistent loops with the top of the loop no higher than the caster's head.

    What you are describing is a Single Spey without a change of direction, commonly known as a Switch Cast. This shouldn?t be called a roll cast. A roll cast is where the line from the tip is static prior to beginning the forward stroke. These are 2 different animals from 2 different traditions. Somehow these names have gotten confused within the CICP since DH casting has come into vogue in the last decade. I think that many were learning single handed spey and didn?t perceive a difference or thought it was the same thing. It?s not. I don?t feel it is good practice for committee members who have limited experience with DH techniques to get involved with naming conventions.

    When I took the DH workshop at the National Conclave with Al Buhr, Denise Maxwell and Dan McCrimmon, they made the distinction between the 2 casts. With a DH rod the tip and line came to rest for a DH roll cast and was dangling downstream as all Spey casts do at the start. Otherwise it would be a Switch cast which includes a D loop.

    I strongly feel the MCCI committee needs to re-think this. 

     

    As lead examiner on my past MCCI exams, I have felt the same way as you do and did require a dead stop before the forward stroke is begun.

    I have used the terms "switch cast" and "forward Spey cast" as synonyms .  I've been applying them to a roll type cast in which a dynamic D-loop is used with no full stop prior to the start of the forward stroke.  No change of direction being necessarily employed. I realize that not all two handed casting experts agree on the use of these terms.

    Whatever name we use for these casts, apparently the MCCI testing committee did see fit to allow the dynamic D-loop for this task.

    Perhaps Dusty Sprage (head of that Committee) will help us out here with his comments.      Gordy

     

    "This differs from the way Tom White and I taught many of you to do it in the past.  We did so by having the caster flick a long narrow loop of line way back straight behind to lie static on the ground prior to making this distance roll cast. (Of course, the fly and leader and some fly line had to be in front of the caster.)"

    I never understood the use of this technique. It is unreasonable to use when fishing since you are either laying all that line on the water, which makes it impossible to cast, or in pretty much any stream situation the line is now tangled in twigs and stones. This isn?t something I would show to a beginner in the fear it would confuse them. I carry 6 penny nails painted orange and anchor the line about 25-30 feet in front of them when on grass. If working one on one I step on the fly and then let it go as the loop passes me.  

     

    You are correct, Guy, in that the way Tom and I taught this would have very limited application in the real World of fishing.  I did cite one example where I used it to advantage.  That was a situation where I was fishing a wide stream and needed a distance cast of about 60' or perhaps a bit more to a seam.  There were pine trees behind me about 15' behind me with low hanging branches.  I could have made a side arm straight line back cast, but elected instead to flip a backcast loop to lie still on the carpet of pine needles below the branches ..... and then made the forward stroke of this roll cast.  Worked fine.

    Of course this won't work when your back cast loop is on water, nor when you have anything behind which will entangle the line.

    You may remember that Joan Wulff also demonstrated this technique to the candidates at a Conclave MCCI Workshop a few years ago.  I remember one of her statements which was to the effect that the longer that static loop behind the caster, the better the rod would load and the greater the distance achieved.

    Since this does have such rare use, I have not been teaching this for the past couple of years and only mentioned it because it probably still exists in the repertoire of those to whom we taught it.

    All the more reason to air this one now. 

     

    I also sometimes either step on the fly/leader or use an ice pick to anchor the leader if the candidate requests it. Some use a "roll cast tool" as a mock anchor. I'm careful to let the candidate choose the distance between the caster and this anchor as though the cast was being made on water.  I do that because I want to be sure the candidate knows the logical "set-up" for this task.

    I think we all agree that this task and other roll cast tasks as well as Spey casts are far better done on water ..... but at conclaves, that isn't always an option.

     

          Gordy

     Guy Manning