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- Subject: CASTING STYLES / Tails (more)
- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:18:59 -0400
Walter & Group.........
Let's have some thoughts from you on casting styles once you
have digested our last message including the letter to me from Lefty.
Meanwhile:
The subject of tailing loops seems almost inexhaustable .... so many
thoughts; so many theories; lots of misconceptions along with physical evidence
produced by those who have studied the problem in many ways including super high
speed video combined with electronic monitoring.
More on tailing loops by Al Crise:-
Howdy Gordy
A man contacted me last week about testing for Masters. I told him
that you do some times. So I was happy to hear that you did testing with Liz.
Tell Capt John Congratulations from me.
Here is something for the Master Study group.
We often speak of tailing loops being caused by Three major factors.
Creeping, Short stroking. the "U" shape of hand travel. Miss
application of power. Most think that petty much covers it. The concaved path of
the rod tip is what is happening. There is one more that can cause the rod tip
to conclave. It would fall under miss application of power but not by the rod
hand. Rather by the line hand. Hauling to soon. too hard can make the rod tip
dip in it's path.
If the haul is started before the line has loaded the rod, or haul
too hard too soon you will drag more of load into the rod.That can dip the tip
in to a concaved path.
Haul the hardest / fastest later in the cast if you see a
tail.
ol Al
--
Allen Crise
FFF Master Casting
Instructor
Hawk Ridge Flycasting School
Glen Rose TX
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Al....
As you know, we have covered most if not all of the ways in which a tailing
loops are made as we fly cast. Many word pictures can be used to describe
these things. Revisiting this casting fault with different word pictures
is an effective educational tool.
These include the ones you cited:
1.) Creep: This shortens the available stroke
length, rod arc and tip travel. If it shortens them to the point that they
don't match the amount of line carried, this can yield a concave rod tip path
made even worse by the fact that it encourages the caster to apply a spike
of power during the stroke. The tip dips down and then ends up
traveling in an upward direction.
2.) Inapproprate application of power: A tail
can result when the caster applies too much power during the stroke which is
timed to yield enough acceleration that it cannot be maintained. The rod
tip dips down as this spike of power is applied and then comes back up as the
acceleration isn't maintained. This also yields a concave rod tip path
with the rod tip fininshing in an upward direction. In simple language:
"Hitting it too hard too soon."
a.) This inapropriate application of power can be
made with the casting arm.
b.) It can also (as you point out) be made with
the line hand (haul).
3.) Too short a stroke and rod arc for the amount of line
carried : This often occurs even without creep. It can result
in the caster sensing that something is wrong. He/she applies a spike of
power to "compensate" resulting in the rod tip dipping and then returning so
that it is traveling up as the cast is completed. Another example of a
concave rod tip path.
4.) Failure to dip the rod tip away from the oncoming
line: If the caster makes an almost straight line path for
the rod tip and then "pushes" the rod forward without dipping the tip down so
that it can escape the oncoming line at the end of the cast, the line may strike
the rod or the fly leg may collide with the rod leg of the loop. Lefty
feels that this is a common event. ( Ref: CASTING WITH LEFTY KREH, Lefty
Kreh, pp. 404-405.)
5.) Excessive pause time after the back cast:
Waiting too long after the back cast loop has unfurled before making
the forward stroke may result in a collision of the fly line with the rod or a
collision between the fly leg and the rod leg of the loop.
Argument is made that this isn't a true tailing loop, since the fly leg
doesn't necessarily cross over the rod leg. Sometimes, however, this can
encourage the caster to add inappropriate power which can result in a true
tail.
6.) Less than 180 degrees between the trajectory (line plane) of
the back cast and that of the forward cast : If the caster
makes a high back cast followed by a high or even horizontal forward cast, a
tailing loop may result. Caveat: This will only occur if this is combined
with a lack of change in rod planes between that of the back cast and that of
the forward cast.
(Well described in CASTING ANGLES by Mac Brown, pp. 96-103. )
7.) Shoving the rod tip up into the projected path of the fly
line: This almost never occurs in the real world of fly
casting, even by beginners. It has appeared on CCI exams as the candidate
tries to make a tail as a required demo. Examiners all agree that this
method is unacceptable on an exam for the reason that it is not the way a
student is likely to do it and does not indicate that the candidate understands
the mechanics behind the tailing loops ordinarily encountered during
fishing and casting practice.
It has been taught that the common denominator of all tailing loops is the
concave rod tip path. As you can see, that isn't necessarily true as we
include # 4 through # 7. It is true, however, for most
tailing loops.
It has also been taught that the common denominator is inappropriate
application of power. I agree that this is true of most tailing loops because it
is usually responsible for the concave path of the rod tip in the first
place.
As I see it, the combination of concavity of the
rod tip path (during the stroke as well as between strokes (as in #6) and
inappropriate application of power yields most of the tailing loops we
encounter.
CURES:
1.) "Band-aid" Cures: These are methods which
work for the moment but don't necessarily result in an understanding off the
problem by either instructor or student. They are usually
administered by brief command :-
a. "Just make a longer
stroke."
b. " Dip your rod tip down at the
end of your stroke."
c. " Make your back cast to the
side and your forward cast with your rod vertical."
d. " Don't cast so
hard."
2.) Real cures: These are the ones made
by well informed instructors. A simple root cause analysis is made by the
instructor who uses a system such as Bruce Richards' 6 step or other good
methods to define the problem in a stepwise manner. This is followed by a
step by step approach as the instructor has the student change the body motion
which resulted in the rod tip movement which in turn led to the tailing
loop.
Gordy