Quiz answers / uni-knot

Walter & Group.....

From Lewis Hinks.  My comments in his answer list in bold italics :-

Hi Gordy,

 

    Interesting quiz. Lots of fun rooting through my library. My answers follow the questions in red.

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From: Gordy Hill

To: Lewis Hinks

Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:51 AM

Subject: CREEP ..... Quiz

Lewis & Group.....

Some of you failed to receive the last QUIZ on CREEP.  (That happened when a T-storm cut off  my Group transmission.)

This is it:-

We've all heard about a thing called, CREEP.     Some questions: -

 

1.) Consult as many fly casting texts as you can and come up with descriptions of, CREEP.  (Give author, title & page(s)) here are the books in which I found references to creep or a similar term:

    LL Bean Fly Castin Handbook by Macaulay Lord (pg 104 and pg 59);  Jason Borger, Nature of Fly Casting (pg 69);John G. Lynde, 34 Ways to Cast a Fly, (pg 38); Mel Krieger, The Essence of Fly Casting, (pg 103); Joam Wulff, Fly Casting Techniques, (pg 74) (Note these last 2 refer to reverse drift or drift forward. What amazed me was a relative LACK of references to creep. Several books in my library directly related to casting faults and fixes made no reference to creep or reverse drift. Common theme in all of these is the movement of the rod foward during the pause stage of the cast.

 

Good.  Many of us look at the principal difference between CREEP and DRIFT this way:  CREEP shortens the stroke, rod arc, and (therefore) tip travel.  DRIFT is used to increase these.  This is true no matter whether we are talking about the forward cast or the back cast.      G.

WARNING !     This may result in your learning a lot of other facts as well !!!

2.) Give us your description of CREEP. With an overhaed cast, the movement of the rod toward the target, prior to initiation of the forward cast or during the pause stage, reducing the size of the casting arc

Good thinking.  Some might include the fact that CREEP doesn't have significant acceleration.  Still others might use language which describes it as performed in a direction opposite that of an unrolling loop. (whereas DRIFT is made in the direction of the unrolling loop.)

3.) Is CREEP desirable when casting ? NO.   Agree.

4.) Undesirable ? Yes  Agree.

5.) Why ? Creeping results in a shorten casting arc, in order to compensate for this, the cast increase the speed of the cast resulting in early apploication of power, greater rod bend too early giving a concave path of the rod tip and a resultant tailing loop.  Agree.

6.)  Would you ever purposely CREEP when casting ?   Only if you are trying to make a tailing loop on purpose (see below)

Well ..... we might purposely do it as a task on an exam.  Also, for demo to students.

7.) If you answered YES to question 6.)  tell us when.

8.) Is there ever a time when you would teach your student to creep ? I see no pratical reason to teach a student creep other than to illustrate.   Agree

9.) As you observe casters who are creeping, can you tell if they are using translation or rotation as they do this ? Creep occurs just prior to translation and rotation..   Hard to tell without aids such as video or electronic measuring devices.  Bruce Richards informs us the Casting Analyzer shows that it is mostly slow, minimally accelerated rotation.  I was surprised to hear that.

10.) Is there any relationship between CREEP and a TAILING LOOP ? Yes  Of course there is.

11.) If you answered YES to 10.), then give us  a description of the casting mechanics involved. As above:Creeping results in a shorten casting arc, in order to compensate for this, the cast increase the speed of the cast resulting in early apploication of power, greater rod bend too early giving a concave path of the rod tip and a resultant tailing loop.

Yes.  Early application of power yielding more acceleration of the rod than the caster can maintain throughout the stroke.  This results in the rod bending and then partially returning prior to the stop.  This combination of bend-&-return is what forms the concave rod tip path.

12.)  What is a, "Maloney Cast" ? A type of cast that uses an intentional tailing loop in order swing heavy flies under cover.

Yes.  See Jason Borger's, THE NATURE OF FLY CASTING, p. 76 on Michael Maloney.

Good work, Lewis.

Gordy

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From Jerry Puckett:

Gordy and Tony;

 

Thanks for this series and for kind comments and the website on Knots.  It has spurred me to start practicing tying all knots I think might be ask of a Masters. 

 

Also Tony your website on this knot was very helpful and I was wondering if it would be a fair question to ask the group if they knew other websites on tying knots?

 

Thanks, tied up in knots,  Jerry

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From Jim Penrod:

Gordy,
   The literature refers to a Duncan loop and a uni-knot in the same breath frequently. My take is that a Duncan loop is a uni-knot  that has not been cinched tight to the hook so indeed it is a loop.

   In response to your comment, "AND THE FLY NEVER GOES BEHIND THE CASTER" is not entirely true either as a perfectly good spey cast can be made if the fly is placed beside or behind the caster if there is enough space behind for  the D loop and proper anchor placement (requirements for testing call for the anchor to be in front of the caster).
Jim

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Jim....   I wasn't aware that proper anchor placement included the choice of placement of the fly behind the caster.  Let's ask our THCI's about that one.

Gordy

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Jim

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