Knots / CREEP - Correction

Call me "Loopy" but here is a theory regarding where the Duncan Loop got it's name. I have not been able to find an actual picture or diagram of the loop itself but it makes sense in so far as the loop allows the fly freedom to move much as a yo yo axle needs the freedom to spin in the "sleeper" move. I tied similar knots (but not nearly as good) for my replacement strings back in the day.

Just a fun thought...

Gordy after a discussion of creep and it's effect with the student I would have the student do one or both of the following:

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Hello my name is Al, I was a Creeper. I was one of the worst because I would do it so slowly or so unnoticeable it was hard to detect. Then I would creep it was to "Stage or get ready to creep" That was my excuse any way..

It was over come several ways and many tries.

I would point the rod tip at my loop all the way back. This not only kept my Creeping controlled it gave me DRIFT.

I saw a video of my cast from the side First thing I saw as the power Banged in to the forward cast. Then I watch my hand creep forward to reduce my stroke to only 4 inches with 35 ft of line out.

I change my casting to a extended stroke only allowing the wrist rotation at the very end of the stroke. I call this soft casting and use this same style for the ladies in CFR. It reduces the energy of the casting arm just getting it going in the right direction before adding any power.

So now I can say I have taken the cure. I am a recovering creeper...

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Hi Gordy & group,

My favorite method of overcoming a student's creep, is to first explain exactly what creep is and then demonstrate it in a very obvious manner for them to see. Then I hand the rod back to them and ask him to show me creep and ask them to exaggerate the fault by creeping to the extreme. I do this because it is a lot easier to cure something once the student is absolutely sure of what they are doing incorrectly.

Another method is one I use if the student is an astute individual (judgment call), is a patient explanation of exactly what they are doing wrong, and then add to that explanation how creep contributes to tailing loops by robbing stoke length. I find that certain students can grasp and correct the problem with just a pointed explanation of the error they are committing. If problem persists, I use hands-on (with permission) and demonstrate where and how the creep occurs.

Bob Rumpf

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From Jerry Puckett:-

Gordy:

1- Teach Drift-- range according to the length of the stroke 2- Watch the hand for a full stop with no forward movement on the back cast 3- related to drift but exaggerate the back cast stroke with an extended reach waiting on the line to unroll before beginning forward stroke. 4- Cattle prod used when observing creep! ( okay for the really difficult, the tazer!)

Jerry Puckett

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From Gary Eaton:-

To overcome creep

1) teach rod drift into the unrollng loop

2) teach "be a statue until the backcast loop becomes a candy cane, then accelerate one direction only." from Tom White to me.

3) Reposition the rod tip after stop for a "longer" forward stroke. (another form of drift).

Gary Eaton

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From Pete Humphreys :-

Hi Gordy,

These would be my methods.

1, Ask the student to add drift to their stroke and concentrate on using a smooth application of power

2, Ask the student to focus and look at their casting hand, not the rod, during the stroke. Explain to the student that the rod movement mimics the hand and to concentrate on no hand creep after they stop the rod. Ask the student use a smooth application of power. (in my mind it is easier for a student to look at the hand and leave it in the stop position rather than have them look at the rod)

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From Lewis Hinks:-

Hi Gordy,

I'll take a shot:

1. Teach the student to work on a drift. Concenrtrating on the drift will make it harder to creep.

2. Have the student sit in a chair and cast keeping their back in contact with the back of the chair. Actually put pressure on the back of the chair.

Lewis

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Jim Valle comes up with several from his bag of tricks :-

Here’s a few quick ones.

1. Tell the student to “FREEZE” on the backcast stop….and you stand there and say wait…wait …don’t move your hand..(if this works s/he will learn quickly) this can be cause for a lot of laughter if you make it fun!

2. Have the student watch the backcast

3. Teach drift… forcing the student to focus on extending the rod in the direction of the back cast…. This really works but it is questionable what the student has really learned.

4. Exaggerate the problem by asking them to intentionally CREEP or demonstrate creep.

5. Go hands on at the backcast just before the student is about to creep

6. Shorten the line out of the rod tip if they are carrying too much

7. Lengthen the line outside the rod tip if they don’t have enough mass, or need to experience a longer pause…little crazy but it can work.

8. Hands on throughout the stroke

9. Make sure he doesn’t have a tailwind while learning, because he will never feel the load

One or all of the above will work…..But the very best is to work on a good strong backcast, relaxed and not anticipating, there is plenty of time wait for the line to unroll. Good strong backcast will load the rod and the student will feel the load.

Jim V

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