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    Walter & Group.......

    Check item # 15 on the double haul in my outline of the Kyte-Moran study: Going For Distance, Good vs. Elite Casters. (ATTACHMENT)

     

    Followup on my note on teaching the double haul:

    After going through the horizontal, "ground casting" sequence and going airborne with ever increasing verticality of rod plane, we go to hauling with different lengths (wts) of line out of the rod tip.  It is at this point where I start to teach the concept of shorter hauls for short casts and longer hauls for long casts. (The, "mirror image" idea).

    Sometimes, for these exercises, I have the student use a medium flex rod which has been overlined by one or even two line designation.

    Tom White had a teaching setup for this with a softer rod and a length of heavy soft nylon monofilament.  The whole idea of this is to have the student be able to feel the loading of the rod.  It also helped, to have the student close the eyes to help this sense of feel and timing gel into, "muscle memory".

    In my hands, this method has worked a lot better than the rodless, "down-up" pantomime.  When we used that method, we ended up correcting the students who would learn it well and then end up pushing line up into the guides on the, "up".

    I've been teaching the students to stop the haul at the stop of the rod hand and to release it at the same point for the delivery cast. I do this realizing that this is not strictly correct, but that it seems to work well at this early level of discovery.

    For more advanced students I do go into theory as I teach the numerous things which  the haul can accomplish . ( 1. Directly increasing line speed, 2. Increasing rod load (bend)  3. Sharing the work of the rod hand & 4. taking up slack.)  Also, the bad things which happen with poor timing and bad application of power as the haul is made.

    Gordy

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    I HOPE SOME OF YOU WILL SHARE YOUR OWN METHODS OF TEACHING THE DOUBLE HAUL.  THIS SHOULD GIVE US ALL MORE METHODS TO STUFF INTO OUR BAG OF TEACHING TRICKS !

     

    (For example:  Al Crise, years ago, showed me a method of doing this with a limber rod only 18 inches long.  With this outfit, one MUST haul to gain any appreciable loop speed.)

    (Floyd Franke gave a Conclave workshop 4 or 5 years ago on teaching the double haul.  He demo'd a novel approach I'd not seen before.  To take the rod arm action out of the equation when first teaching the haul, he'd have the student place the rod beneath the casting arm elbow, against the body.  The student was taught to rotate the body to the right and left as a pull was made with the line hand.  This could be done down on the grass or at waist level.)

    Gordy

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    From Peter Morse:

    Gordy and group - Re :  teaching the double haul. I like to combine Mel

    Kriegers "Down Up" mantra with Lefty's "Lay it down and do it slow"

    method. As you know the instant it clicks its usually locked in. Once

    they get it in slo mo, then move it into the air. Get them casting

    normally ie just single hauling and when its all moving OK just

    quietly begin the "down up" chant and usually its "bingo". Be patient

    with it and let them know to introduce it only when they're ready,

    but give them the timing beat all the time. I've had un-cordinated

    old hackers double hauling in 5 minutes using these combined methods.

    Peter

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    From Al Crise  (His message to Chrise Dore on teaching the double haul)

    Howdy Chris
     The problems you are having teaching the double haul is some what normal for many people. Add your friends problems you will have to make or give some 'Word pictures' or something that can be seen along with hearing.
    I liken the haul to " Pulling the rod straight" in a side arm cast you can see the loaded rod bent. Pull it straight. As you would one of the little puppets we had as kids. You pulled the string and he would raise his hands and legs to a straight position. then STOP hauling when straight.
      Try to ensure that 'the haul is away from the rod, not the rod away from the line hand'. This is one of the big problems that new haulers have. Making the rod move away from the line hand just slides the rod up the line. Not the rod leg faster.
     Work from the side arm cast very slowly. Just 6 inches of tip raise at a time so that the rod can be seen.
     
    Hope this helps a little, if not now next time.
     
    ol AL
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    Subject :  Analysis of casts made by Good and Elite casters
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    Group....

    Some of you have this outline, as I sent it a couple of years ago.. Many of you have read the original paper.

    SUMMARY OF PAPER BY AL KYTE AND GARY MORAN ENTITLED, " GOING FOR DISTANCE...GOOD VS. ELITE CASTERS". : Fly Fisherman, May, 1993.

    The authors made a detailed study of the differences in the casts made by the, "good" casters compared to those made by the, "elite" casters using videography and other techniques.

    1.) The elite casters straightened the back cast line more completely...and did so with noticeably smaller loops.

    2.) They STOPPED THE ROD more abruptly on the back cast.

    3.) They bent the rod tip back farther on the back cast.

    4.) They moved the rod tip through a more straight path during the loading phase.

    5.) They achieved maximum rod bend just before the STOP on the forward cast.

    6.) Their rod hands moved in a slightlly more downward path.

    7.) Their most common error was to apply power too soon. ( ie. they applied their maximum force a bit too early in the stroke.)  (Good casters)

    8.) Elite casters, "imparted more bend in the rod, and did so with better timing."

    9.) They had a low release angle averaging only 6 degrees to the horizontal.

    10.) They moved the rod though a wider angle.

    `11.) They did this by allowing the rod to drift back and down, ".....an additional 10 to 15 degrees after the STOP of the back cast.

    12.) Their stroke length was greater. (Stroke length defined as the distance the caster's hand moves the rod butt toward the target.)

    13.) They used the longer casting strokes and wider casting arcs IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME and so achieved greater line speed.....and the same level of force and rod tip speed over a greater distance, yielding a total application of force which was greater.

    14.) Elite casters made greater use of their body mass and musculature than did the good casters.

    15.) "The most effective haulers pulled the line back a greater distance primarily during the final, accelerated stages of loading.  Thus they stopped the haul and released the line farther back, as well."

    16.) They combined styles: "They moved the elbow out to the side of the body during the back cast which opened the way for inward rotation of the shoulder.  Then they moved the elbow ahead of the shoulder during the forward cast which enabled them to use a strong elbow extension as well."

    17.) They used an, "educated wrist" motion during the final acceleration of the stroke, "averaging 45 degrees; 10 degrees more for the elite group.

    18.) In most cases, the final 20 to 30 degrees of wrist action quickly tilted the butt of the rod forward, just prior to the STOP.

    19.) With the best casts, the rod butt STOPPED ABRUPTLY so the butt of the rod moved hardly 1 degree !  The less successful casters couldn't hold the rod as steady.

    This is not a substitute for reading the whole article, but it gets some important points across.  I might point out, that although no names were used, among the elite casters were 2 world champions.

                                                                                  Gordy

                                                                         


     

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