Haul / starting point

Walter & Group.............

Some opinions on when the haul should start :

From Lewis Hinks:-

I believe that the haul should begin at the start of the 'speed up and stop' section of the cast. The haul itself can vary in length, but I find a short quick haul is most effective.

Lewis 

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From Walter Simberski:-

Haul late!

 

I used to think the haul should start after the midpoint of the casting stroke. I now think it should

start even later than that - at the start of rotation.

 

Walter

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From Craig Buckbee :-

 

gordy,

perhaps something like this:

"tension the line using the rod , then start haul."

in other words start a loading move first, then haul.

craig

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From Robert Shigley: -

 

Hi Gordy;

 

I will give you my answer...I agree totally with Pete.

 

robert

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From Jim Higgins:-

 

 

The haul should mirror the speedup and stop of the rod hand.  By this I mean that the length and speed of the haul should be the same as the length and speed of the rod hand. 

 

Jim

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From Rich Knoles :-

Pete's wrong I think Gordy. But I need a spey lesson from him. Would the

most efficient use of the haul occur when power is applied. Line hand

mimicking the rod hand?

Rich Knoles

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From Jim Laing :-

Gordy-

The haul should begin just before the rod butt becomes Perpendicular to the rod hands Linear Path.  The rod should be bent at or near its deepest (fully loaded) at that moment.   Starting the haul at full load would force a deeper bend and prolong unbending which results in increased tip speed as the rod reaches RSP. 
I always thought the haul should mirror the casting stroke and that works fine at moderate distances or if you need to remove slack or clear the ice out of the eyelets. If your trying to beat Bill, Paul or Troy at a friendly distance competition, I think its best to wait rather than mirror...

Jim

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From Bill Toone :-

Gordy, since by definition a proper haul mirrors the casting stroke (i.e. speed, length, etc.) the haul should begin with the loading move of the casting stroke and end when the rod stops (RSP).  In other words as the rod is loading the haul should be beginning.  As the rod is stopped and energy is being transferred back to the line, the haul should stop.

In my humble opinion of course…

 

Regards,

Bill Toone

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From Paul Arden :-

OK I'll bite, I think the most effective haul begins when the rod butt passes the perpendicular. But you should try everything.

 

Cheers, Paul

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From David Lambert:-

 

Gordy:

Short answer on the haul start: The point at which the haul begins can

vary relative to what you want the cast to accomplish. Or. . .where the

haul begins is a function of how you want the rod tip to react -- and

where and how you want your fly to land.

Long answer:

I've changed my tune on this over the years. I used to teach that the

haul began and ended with what we are now calling the rotational phase

of the stroke/arc. Lefty used to talk about this, but not so much any

more. I still believe that is one effective means of increasing line

speed with the haul, but there are others.

I now believe where the haul begins--and the speed at which you employ

it--is a function of how you want the rod tip to react. We know that we

can augment a tip cast by delaying the haul until, or just after,

rotation begins. Conversely, a deep rod load might be accompanied by a

haul that begins with the first rod-tip movement and accelerates

smoothly, increasing acceleration as the rod loads more deeply.

We also know through experimentation that an early or delayed haul

causes the rod tip to load and unload at a precise point during a

stroke/arc, possibly not in harmony with the rod load. Evidence a

tailer. But evidence for positive, the effect of a slightly delayed

haul during a strong pronate curve (away from the body--a right curve

for a right hander). And I use a much delayed delivery haul to greatly

accelerate the loop turnover, which sends the fly and tip out in a

straight line. Combined with a bit of line shoot, this sends the fly

5-10 feet or so in a straight line under bushes and overhangs (thanks

Dave Whitlock for this.)

With that in mind, is there a consensus regarding a fixed point at which

the down-stroke haul ends? We know that there is a point after which

you get diminished results.

Just some thoughts.

David

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From Nial Logan :-

Hi Gordy and Group

 

In many of the writings, as with most aspects of fly casting, there are differences of opinion. Summarised, some say commence at the same time as the rod hand starts the stroke while others advocate delaying the start of the haul until the start of the final power application.

 

From a personal usage point of view, there are uses for both ways. I tend to vary from one to the other. For example, on the pickup the haul starts with the rod hand. I find this helps to break the line free of the “surface tension” in the saltwater environment using big flies and sinking lines. Once the line is aerialised, the haul reverts to being applied during the final power application.

 

Nial

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NOW THAT YOU HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF OPINIONS AND MAY BE COMPLETELY CONFUSED, LET'S SLEEP ON THIS AND COME TO A CONCLUSION A DAY OR TWO DOWN THE LINE.

IF YOU LOSE SLEEP OVER THIS, YOU WILL REALLY BE TURNING ALL THIS OVER IN YOUR BRAIN !!!!

Gordy