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    Walter & Group........

    From Guy Manning :

     Does the line design have to fall within the AFFTM specifications for weight along the first 30 feet? Won’t this be a detriment if we are going for max distance?

     Guy Manning

    FFF Master Certified Casting Instructor

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    Guy....
     
    Good point !
     
    I wanted to keep it as generic as possible ..... main object being to see if Group members had the concept of what makes a good distance line.
     
    Gordy
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    From Guy Manning on Tailing Loops:
     

    II. The most common reason for the concavity is application of power as a spike of acceleration during the stroke which cannot be maintained or exceeded to stroke completion at loop formation.

     

    I disagree. I don’t think I have ever seen this solely as a cause. It is most commonly too much power applied through the whole stroke accompanied by insufficient tip travel to get the tip below the upper leg. The most common way to cure it is to get the caster to cast considerably slower using the same stroke length. If that doesn’t work then have them make a longer stroke, which brings the tip lower at the end.   See my detailed note, below.      G.

     

    III .On uncommon reason for the concavity yielding a tailing loop is an angle between the trajectory of the back cast and that of the forward cast of less than 180 degrees without change of rod plane.

     

    Keep in mind that this alone will not cause a tail if you rotate early in the stroke. I can do a steeple cast without a tail by rotating through the whole forward stroke.    Agree !      G.

     

    One other mechanism which can yield a tail is described by Lefty Kreh and Ed Jaworowski.  This is the pushing forward of the rod during the stroke with insufficient rod arc. The rod tip doesn't dip down at the end of the stroke, so the fly line runs into the rod tip or into itself.  Most of us feel that this is not the way most students make a tail which is why it likely will not be included on the exam. 

     

    Though not very common, I do see this occasionally. I think it comes from a number of old  written descriptions and illustrations (even in the FFF magazine) that show the casts trajectory being horizontal to the ground, or when they describe the casting stroke as being similar to painting the ceiling. I realize the second instance is somewhat stylistic (it isn’t a problem with proper rotation) but I think it contributes to the problem. It also leads to the fly turning over 12 to 14 feet in the air, which kills any accuracy you may have been trying for.   True.    G.

     

    Only by being able to describe and perform the tasks, above ( a.), b.) & c) , will the candidate show an in depth understanding of the tailing loop problem, as I see it.

     

    Should we really be having this discussion on a forum where a lot of people are studying for the test? Isn’t this whole discussion just “teaching the test?” shouldn’t this discussion be held just to MCI’s?   See my reason, below..   G.

     

     Guy Manning

    FFF Master Certified Casting Instructor

    Moderator FFFCCI Yahoo Group

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    Guy....
     
    You are correct in that this is a bit of, "teaching to the test".
     
    I don't mean to belabor it, but the reason I floated this was that there have been many questions by MCCI candidates on the new tasks likely to be on the revised exam. 
     
    We felt that clarity as to what was being requested of MCCI candidates was a fair way to go.
     
    Bruce Richards & Dusty Sprague already gave this information in detail at the MCCI prep. course at the conclave.  I assisted with this course.
     
    Most of us, including Bruce (who has studied this with the analyzer, etc.) DO feel that the real problem causing the tailing loop is not simply application of too much power during the stroke ; rather the application of a spike of power yielding acceleration of the rod which cannot be maintained or increased as the stroke continues to completion.  The spike of power increases rod load and bends the rod tip down. As the acceleration thus produced fails to be maintained, the tip comes up as the load decreases and yields a concave path of the rod tip and a tail.
     
    Certainly, applying too much power too soon will create a tail.... but for the reasons stated above.
     
    Casting more slowly will certainly help negate this fault.
     
    Increasing stroke length will help if the problem includes too short a stroke length for the amount of line carried.
     
    Bringing the tip lower will help if the fault is failure to get it down below the oncoming line.  Bringing the tip lower, yet,can even mask other faults in preventing a collision or "wind knot" even though a concave path of the rod tip has created the wave in the line which would otherwise have produced a tail.
     
    Gordy