Walter & Group..........
I'LL BE AWAY FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING, ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GORDY
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From Jeff Barefoot (in answer to ol Al's message) :-
Hi Al,
Keep in mind the loop is not the cause, but the effect. The same reason
the neighbor’s dog runs out of chain and flips ass over tea cups.
Jeff
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From Guy Manning:
Al
writes:
Looking at
a WF with 36 ft of head, and we can carry 40 feet of line in the air. That is
about 4 ft of overhang. Then using the 50% of shoot or adding the 20 ft of shoot
to the 40 feet of line gives us 80 feet of distance. How can you get to 100 ft.
Carry more in the air? Now we would have to carry 65 feet of line in the air or
30 feet of overhang to make the 100 foot cast. Something is wrong with this
thinking
I think you need to
specify whether you are talking about a sinking shooting head or a full length
floating line here. The result will be different.
The floater has
more mass to the rear of it, creating a faster turnover than would a shooting
head. The head will pull a longer length of 20# mono before it turns over, than
if it were pulling .30” floating line. There is less mass to the mono so it
takes longer for the smaller mass to effect the turnover of the entire length of
the head.
Likewise, diameter
of the head will also have some affect on overall distance. A very fast sink
should go farther than a slow sink head (assuming like manufacturers and models
of lines) since the very fast sink head is normally of smaller diameter.
For me to make a
100 foot cast with a floater I have to carry 65-70 feet of line on my Steelhead
taper line, then shoot the rest. For me to make a 100 foot cast with a shooting
head on the same rod, I need to carry about 7-9 feet of mono overhang. I can
carry as much as 16 feet of overhang with that rod so I can make about 120-125
on a good day with perfect turnover on the grass.
Guy
Manning
FFF
Master Certified Casting Instructor
Moderator
FFFCCI Yahoo Group
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Gordy,
I
enjoyed this topic; especially because I just read Bruce Richard’s book. I have
learned threw his book and our discussion that friction plays a significant role
in the turnover of our fly line.
Does the thinner running line help in supporting the larger diameter line during the loop turnover once the enter head is past the tip top?
Gordy,
Al Buhr mentions “torque twist” in his book “Two Handed
Fly Casting” is this possible with a single handed rod? Sounds good in
theory.
Lou