Books / Paradox of the "climbing loop"

Walter & Group....

Advice from Guy Manning on finding out of print books:-

When looking for an out of print book I always go here: http://www.alibris.com/

And here:  http://www.abebooks.com/

 The entries are made up of listings from used book stores and antiquarians. Adams Angling is on Abebooks.com

 Guy Manning

FFF Master Certified Casting Instructor

Moderator FFFCCI Yahoo Group

www.castflys.net

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We are fortunate to have Bob Rumph in our Group.  Here is his message on finding out of print books:-

Hi Gordy & group,

 

I am in the process of making a list of casting related books, most of which are on the suggested study list. These books do not appear on my web-site. I will make this list available to you probably next week. I have on that list Bruce's book "Modern Fly Lines" which incidentally should be required reading for any Master candidate, it is truly a "gem", albeit almost impossible to find and should definitely be re-printed. The list contains about 45 book that I'm sure will be of interest to members of the group. It also contains collectible casting books such as Jim Green's "Fly Casting From the Beginning" and Gary Borger's "Presentation" which is another book that just cannot be found. Also three books by Cliff Netherton, Frank Steel's 1946 ed. of "Fly Fishing" (For Trout, Salmon, Bass and Panfish), Bill Cairn's 1st ed. of "Fly Casting", John Alden Knight's 1942 1st ed. of "Modern Fly Casting' with a pretty fair dust jacket considering the age. And the list goes on...

 

Due to the fact that I am in the angling books and literature business and get to see many books, I have made an concerted effort to secure casting books in my searches to make available to the group for their studies. As soon as I have the list finished, I will let you (Gordy) know and those in the group who are interested may e-mail me indicating their interest and I will send them the list along with the prices. 

 

Bob Rumpf

caddis@xxxxxxx

www.flyepenbooks.com

Instructions - www.catskillflies.com

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Bob...   Many thanks !                 Gordy

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From Al Crise:-

Howdy Gordy

 Today I am getting my reports ready for SOC board meeting this weekend. I will not be driving up  I have a show to do on Saturday.

 

Airplane wing the leading edge is on the lower part to give the wing a long distance to reduce the pressure over the wing.

 

I like the lever idea still thinking on that. Do we effect the length we effect the speed of turn over

 For me the loop was a change of planes Although still traveling away from a point (rod tip) it is still mass moving so it has kinetic energy of it's own. Any point on that loop is moving from ahead ( fly leg to apex of loop) or away from the rod tip.

 This motion does not have to be anchored. The straighter the line the better the Kinetic Energy or more concentrated.

Changing the direction of the fly leg does not pull the Fly Leg.

 I was doing some bead chain casting on the floor just to be sure. Strange thing were happening the loop was climbing from the straight line path. I am going to try to take some pictures of this happening. Is the reduced fly leg causing less drag and the loop is pulled upward?

Just for the fun of it grab some of your fly tying bead chain and a pen clip the chain under the clip and on a flat surface make some loops and see what happens.

ol Al

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Al.... I'll try the bead chain exercise.   Remeniscent of Ed Mosser's concept of the loop forming as a manifestation of what was called, "coupled plane pendula".....and the Mosser / Buchman Loop Kinematics Diagram (Reproduced in Don Phillips' The Technology of Fly Rods, p. 90.) each of the beads representing one of the, "segments".

Gordy

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From Jim Valle:-

Gordy & Group,

 

As a fellow Naval Aviator I would also agree with Phil’s description of a wing, camber  and Bernoulli’s principle. So we certainly don’t have a wing and lift scenario.

 

Admittedly there is a certain magical property of an unrolling loop which seems to defy gravity.(Only seems that way, gravity is working on the loop and line all the time).

There is a bit of an illusion here.

 

I don’t think it is flight in the form of lift but rather thrust exceeding drag … on a tensioned line… (and I believe it is a lot of thrust compared to the little bit of streamlined mass)

 

This is fly casting not rocket science… of course …or is it?

 

My 2 cents

 

Jim V

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Jim ......  I don't know.   Reminds me of a genius technician named Bill Fowler of Miami, back in the early days of single sideband radio who worked on the 2 meg. system for my boat to improve ship to shore transmission when I fished the far outer reaches of the Bahamas.  He played with the crystals for hours.  Did things the other techs simply couldn't achieve.  When I asked him how he did it, he replied:  " It takes a certain amount of whichcraft " !

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