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    Walter...
     
    I've taken a lot of time to critique your presentation. 
     
    Frankly, I was surprised that I found little to fault in any way .. WELL DONE !
     
    Just a couple of comments:
     
    Under faults:  Most of us agree that THE most common fault new casters exhibit is that they have an out of control wrist leading not to placing the rod tip too far back, but rather bringing the rod tip back and in a downward direction.
     
    In your definition of creep, I'd prefer to add that it results in shortening the available effective stroke length.
     
    In that of drift, most of us like the idea that it is one, "cure" for tendency to creep and results in increasing the effective stroke length.
     
    Our trout fishermen sometimes take issue with the idea that the only "good loop" is a tight loop.  I look at the tight loop as more efficient for distance casts and casting into a wind.  When trout fishing all day on a stream, some of our best casters purposely avoid a tight loop most of the day.  I prefer the concept that a, "good loop" is the one designed for the casting/fishing challenge of the moment.  In other words, what we are looking for is good LOOP CONTROL.  (The ability to make a loop which will best accomplish a given task .... tight loop to cast into the wind, wider loop for better control when casting a weighted nymph, etc.)  I might wish, for example, to make a wide loop such that the fly leg is high and the rod leg horizontal when casting with the wind to let the wind, "kite" the fly and leader thus requiring less energy expenditure on my part.  As you know, I can do that by carefully placing a bit more convexity of rod tip path at the beginning of the cast.  I can also place that convexity nearer the end of the cast to make a more controlled wide loop for casting a weighted fly. The key word is CONTROL.
     
    Gordy
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:54 AM
    Subject: Re: Advice to MCCI Candidates

    Gordy - Laura has been taking a break from casting - mainly because the weather hasn't been great this winter. She is planning
    to take the test at the conclave. She has helped out with some of my CCI prep classes and is going to be helping with beginner classes
    so she should be much better prepared for the teaching part of the test this year. As for the performance part she has a lot of natural
    ability so it doesn't take her long to prepare for that (unlike me).
     
    In the meantime here is a copy of the course notes I've been using for the CCI prep course. I really appreciate you taking the time
    to review it.
     
    Cheers
     
    Walter
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:34 PM
    Subject: Re: Advice to MCCI Candidates

    Walter...
     
    You and Laura will be providing a great service in Alberta !
     
    Did Laura pass her CCI exam ?  (She came so close at the last conclave.)
     
    Since your course seems to be directed at nearby or local casters, the 4 wk. period schedule seems to me to be a good idea. I like the way you have organized the times. Even though it is a local event, I think it would be a good idea to ask the FFF office to list it.  I could comment further if I could see an actual outline.
     
    I look forward to your LOOP article.  The rotational dynamics will be a daunting task ... especially taking it from a pure physics description to one understandable to non-scientific casters.
     
    The concept of a casting stroke which starts out as almost pure linear movement of the butt section of the rod and hand, then going to a combination of linear movement and rotational movement with more rotation than linear movement as this progresses, out to almost pure rotation is the way I see it.  Obviously no two casts will be exactly the same, and no two casters will do it with the proportions of linear and rotational movements being the same.  Most of the speed of the rod tip must come from the rotational component.  The length of the rod as a lever is an obvious factor, here, as it serves to dramatically magnify the travel distance of the hand to yield a given length of tip travel in the same time interval.
     
    I'm sure that trying to come up with a mathematical formula to quantify this would be a daunting challenge ! That wouldn't likely be a practical accomplishment.
     
    One of the problems with the, "CASTING ANALYZER" seems to me to lie in the fact that it measures only one thing ..... rotational acceleration of the rod butt.  I've observed what are considered the, "best computer readings" with casters who use a vertical rod plane.  Casters using a low elbow / off horizontal rod plane don't have readings which look nearly as good ..... YET THEIR CASTS MAY WELL HAVE BETTER (NEEDLE SHARP) LOOPS and greater distance achieved for the energy input, ie. more efficient.  This is something Lefty Kreh and I noted at our seminar last week.
     
    Lefty is still an incredible caster at 82 years of age !  I have never seen better needle sharp loops nor more efficient casts than he makes.  He is not at all scientific in his thinking or teaching .. yet has come up with some new practical techniques which are hard to refute.
     
    Gordy
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:45 AM
    Subject: Re: Advice to MCCI Candidates

    Gordy - Thanks for the update. I've been running a course for people who are interested in teaching and/or preparing for the CCI here in Calgary and have had 6 people take the course so far. The course is 4 days long with each day consisting of a 3 hour classroom session followed by casting practice consisting of 1 to 1.5 hours of prepared exercises. I stay as long as people like afterwards for open discussion or to help with casting issues. Rather than running the course over 4 consecutive days I run the course over a 4 week period so people have a chance to study and practice between sessions. Of course each student gets the free 6 month FFF membership for attending the course. I'm hoping to build a critical mass of active CCIs in Calgary to raise the profile of the FFF here.  We have some MCIs locally, and they are all supportive, but all of them are extremely busy with careers and other activities.

    If you have time I would appreciate it if you would review the notes I've prepared for the course and provide some feedback.

    I'm going to try and organize a Canclave (Canadian Conclave) for next year here in Calgary. Wish me luck on that.

    Laura and I will be helping one of the local flyshops with their beginner courses this summer. It looks like we will be teaching a class almost every weekend from now until mid July. Should be a lot of fun.

    I've been working on the physics primer whenever I get a chance. I think the part on linear dynamics is looking good (another one I would appreciate some feedback on...) but I've been stalled on how to make the rotational dynamics easy to understand.

    And of course we will be at the Conclave this year. Looking forward to meeting up with everyone again!

    If you get your pre-cert courses going again Laura and I are hoping we can attend.

    Signing off for now.

    Walter----- Original Message -----

    From: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>

    Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:44 am

    Subject: Re: Advice to MCCI Candidates

    > Walter....
    >
    > I DEFINITELY recommend a pre-cert course AND a pre-cert practice
    > test before a candidate takes the actual exam.
    >
    > Problem is where to fine these opportunities.
    >
    > I'm about to make a motion to the Board that the FFF office keep a
    > list of ongoing and future MCCI prep courses so the candidate can
    > access info about them from a single central source.
    >
    > As you know, Tom White and I gave both CCI and MCI prep courses in
    > the past, at Marathon, Florida but did not do so this year since
    > Tom had to be away for medical reasons.
    >
    > Of course, you know about the brief, "courses" given at the
    > conclaves. These are too brief and superficial to be of really
    > great value to candidates beyond providing an introduction to MCCI
    > test expectations. In contrast, the prep course Tom and I gave in
    > the past encompassed 4 days of intensive instruction and casting.
    >
    > As Jim Valle wrote in his LOOP article, it is hard to beat the
    > concept of a candidate having a mentor. That isn't easy for you
    > to do, I know, as you live in an area where no CBOG's or many
    > MCCI's are close by.
    >
    > Our Continued Education Committee has devoted a lot of time and
    > energy in to coming up with ways of providing courses for CCI's
    > and MCI's . We gave our first such course in Marlboro, Mass. in
    > December. It was well received and heavily attended. We are
    > committed to finding ways to give instruction at, "underserved"
    > areas of the US. and Canada.
    >
    >
    > Gordy
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: WALTER/SUE SIMBIRSKI<mailto:simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
    > To: Gordon Hill<mailto:hillshead@xxxxxxx>
    > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:16 PM
    > Subject: Re: Advice to MCCI Candidates
    >
    >
    > Gordy - I was thinking of a pre-cert for the MCCI.
    >
    > Walter
    >