Fwd: RE: Question about distance casting lines

Jerry...

Good description.

One suggestion (that you've already taught yourself) is to avoid, "recovery of slack" to your best ability........and not try to use strength to do it.

As you know, one of the reasons for not teaching the hauls until the basic casting stroke is mastered, is that students will often use that haul to minimize the very slack they should have avoided in the first place.

To quote Lefty: "....they use their haul to throw their mistakes farther".

Remember, that one of the, ESSENTIALS is that slack must be kept to a minimum.

Jerry..... Can you access the Group addresses to send this out ?....lately I've been limited by my server which cuts me off after I've sent a number of group messages. I'll have to find a solution to this.

One solutiion would be to ask the Group members to bounce a message that I send to one person out to the rest of the Group.

Gordy

From: jerry puckett <jerry_puckett2001@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Question about distance casting lines
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:16:12 -0800 (PST)

Walter and Gordy, The best of the west long distance casting was won with the Scientific Angelers Expert Distance line , a 5 wt casting a distance of 120' 9". This is long compound tapered head and the next step up from the XXD line. The 5 weight dimensions are tip: 0.5', front taper 13.0', front belly 17.2', rear belly 13.2', rear taper 25.0', running line 36.6' That is, including tip, 73.4 feet before getting to the 36.6 running line. It is relative easy to carry the 73.4 and when getting into overhang (I am assuming the running line) some really good controlled distance is available with this line. I have been practicing with this line and so far it is making me look better than I am.

Along the same principle as the line laid out behind you, you can have a lot of line laid out in front of you with this Expert Distance Line and get some 90' plus pickup and lay down cast with ease.

I am finding for myself that once I get deeply into the running line while false casting and any slack finds it way into the line it is best to lay it down on the backcast and start anew. The recovery of slack requires more strength and control than I am able to muster at this stage.

So far I think Bruce Richards has hit a home run with this line. Also, I am sure you are aware that Bruce has a significant discount program for Instructors for these lines in 5, 6 and 7 weights in bright orange and measuring 120, great for teaching and for distance for the folk who have 90 feet and backing at their command.

Thanks Jerry

Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Walter...

These distance lines....such as the Scientific Angler's Mastery XXD and the Rio, "LONGCAST" do allow the caster to carry more than 50' out of the rod tip before overhang appears, since the head (the combination of the forward taper and the belly) is more than 50' in total length. For practical purposes, the short rear taper can be ignored.

With full wt. forward fly lines, you need to be able to carry that much line as you false cast, since most casters can only shoot 20% or less of the length carried.

For great distance, it's best to drop one or two line designations when using these lines so you don't overload your rod.

This is very different than casting with a shooting head (shooting taper line) where the head may be only, say....30' in length and the remainder very thin and light running line or even mono. Here, one trick to carrying a lot of line AND lots of overhang for a very long cast, is to false cast with no more than 2' to perhaps 4' of running line out of the rod tip (overhang).....then suddenly increase the length of running line (overhang) on only the last back cast before the presentation cast......and shoot as much as possible.

To put it another way, it's very difficult to FALSE CAST with lots of overhang because you don't have heavy line turning over light line in front of it. There is not smooth transfer of energy, so the line tends to, "buck" and give the impression of, "hinging".

However, if the line behind you is straight, you can carry lots of overhang for the presentation cast. This is why you can lay out 75' of line on the grass behind you even though in includes 20' of overhang and with one motion make a distance cast to that distance and farther.

Gordy

From: Walter Simbirski <simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
To: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Question about distance casting lines
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:50:57 -0700

Gordy - I'm just reviewing some information on lines and it occurs to me that many of the distance casting lines

actually incorporate extra long heads. Based on our discussions about underlining and overlining this would

seem to be the wrong approach to designing a line intended for distance casting - unless the intent is have

the caster underline their rod significantly so that more line can be carried but at the same time reduce

the amount of overhang?

Cheers

Walter