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    • Re: Whats in your Bag of Tricks for helping tip casters?

    Walter....

    Both good ideas.

    Casting between two buildings which are close together helps to keep both casts in the same plane......but only for the vertical rod plane.

    Of course, when you cast low over the grass or water, if you get too far out of plane you will know it right away.

    I don't think you mean rod plane, however, but LINE PLANE or TRAJECTORY.  Here, you are trying to avoid breaking the so-called, "180 degree rule".

    This reminded me of the FFF Conclave at Idaho Falls, when several of the CBOG's were all lined up outside the back of the hotel trying to place flies onto the second, third, and fourth floor balconies.  A low trajectory back cast had to be followed by a high trajectory forward cast......Problem was that there was very little room behind for that back cast.  Not many made it to the fourth floor !  If you made a long enough back cast, you had to break the 180 degree rule for your forward cast.  One alternative was to maintain the "rule", and use just enough line out for the back cast so you didn't tick the bushes behind, and then shoot a lot more line up on the forward cast.

    One situation where one would gain advantage by breaking this, "rule", is with distance casting.  Here a long back cast can be made with a higher trajectory.  By the time the loop has unfurled and the forward cast begins, the back cast line has fallen just enough to make a forward delivery cast with a higher line plane.

    Joan Wulff describes this as, "the seesaw". She depicts this under the title, "LONG CAST TRAJECTORY" on pg. 121 of her book, JOAN WULFF'S FLY CASTING TECHNIQUES.

    I do some teaching out in the bright sun on sand bars.  For this, I dyed a couple of lines jet black.  This also helped me see them against a bright sky.

    A few days ago, I tested a CCI candidate who came with a light gray line.  This was very hard to see against a gray cloud sky !

    Using the new, "glow in the dark" fly lines at night would be an interesting way to do this......I haven't tried that.

                                                                       Gordy




     

    From: Walter Simbirski <simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
    To: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
    Subject: Re: Whats in your Bag of Tricks for helping tip casters?
    Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:38:38 -0700

    Gordy - a couple of things I've found:
     
    For myself I find it difficult to see the line against the sky when watching my backcast even when using brightly colored line so I switch to a "makeshift" Fly-o with macrame yarn or a thick cord that is much easier to see. The makeshift Fly-o can be an actual fishing rod for outdoors or the top section or sections of a rod for indoor use.
     
    Another problem I have is keeping the forward and backward casts on the same plane. An exercise I've been doing is to fasle cast towards the side of a building with a length of line that I can control well and work my way up from ground level to roof level a foot at a time. When I get to the top I work my way back down again. I'm thinking of putting a ladder against the building and aiming the loop between rungs of the ladder as I work up and down so I can work on loop control at the same time.
     
    Cheers
     
    Walter
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    Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:00 AM
    Subject: Re: Whats in your Bag of Tricks for helping tip casters?

    Jim....

    This must be a different video from the George Roberts one on salt water fly casting. (????)

    Good idea.....particularly with the "noodle stop".

    Of course, the instructor can stand behind and become the, "stop", as well.

    Those moves, however, don't solve the problem of the student who is using all power snap and no loading move when the length of line carried demands one.

    Joan Wulff has pointed out that this is one mechanism which can result in a tailing loop ie., "Lack of a loading move when one is needed."  It does so, by producing a dip and return of  the path of the rod tip during the stroke.

                                                                            Gordy




     

    From: "jimpenrod" <t.maltese@xxxxxxxxx>
    To: "Gordon Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
    Subject: Re: Whats in your Bag of Tricks for helping tip casters?
    Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:08:26 -0500

    Hi Gordy,
      George Roberts has a neat idea in his video regarding the forward cast where he cuts the "swim noodles" and makes a T stand for the student to come to a stop.  Combine that with your idea of picking line off the water where one has to continuously accelerate to the stop point which is the noodle T.  Hopefully then the student will have the continuous acceleration combined with an abrupt stop which should make for a nice tight loop.  I would also recommend George Roberts video if he has not looked at it.
    Jim
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    Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:57 PM
    Subject: RE: Whats in your Bag of Tricks for helping tip casters?

    Gary...

    YES !

    With casters who don't have a decent loading move, I've found that teaching them to make good back casts by picking up from the water repeatedly at different distances without making a surface commotion helps get the point across.  This information and muscle memory is then translated into the forward stroke.

    Some students get the point of the loading move by using Joan Wulff's, "form".........a series of PVC pipes placed on the ground before the student illustrating the arc of the loading move and that of the final power snap.

    The caster moves the rod in the horizontal plane over these forms which serve as delimiting points, easily seen.

    Her video / DVD depicts this.

    Hands-on technique can help a great deal, here, too.

    Lets see of some of the others have suggestions, too.                                                                               Gordy



     




     

    From: gladesflybum@xxxxxxxxxxxx
    To: hillshead@xxxxxxx ("Gordon Hill")
    Subject: Whats in your Bag of Tricks for helping tip casters?
    Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:41:17 -0500
    Gordy,

    I have a wonderful student: he studies, practices and is highly motivated. He has progressed rapidly (caught a bonefish on fly!). I started him with horizontal casting between parallel ropes to ingrain his "feel" for loop formation. While his loops are now decent, he has poor application of power and does not load the whole rod during his stroke, instead he repositions his rod and relies on an aggressive speed up and stop. Its beyond creep. His line, while having a OK loop , show a distinct "step" in the rod leg. Which suggests to me he does load the rod at first, but fails to continue to accelerate, then repostions and uses an obvious snap to finish the cast. Exectedly, he has difficulty achieving more than modest distance. To compound his problem, he was practicing with a particular 9wt that has an unusually stout butt.

    I've convinced him to practice with a much softer 6wt. During our last session I put a slow older rod in his hand when working on smoothing out his stroke, hoping to get the load futher down the rod, but the light has not gone off in his head. Demo's, explanation, and "going for a ride" have not done the trick. He gets the idea, but can't put it to practice. We are both getting frustrated.

    Do you, or any of the others, have any special techniques that can help me do a better job of explaining how to load the rod? Can you suggest other avenues to get him to feel and get the whole rod loading?

    Thanks in advance.

    Gary Meyer



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