Group....
Paul makes an interesting point, here (though I didn't see his video clip.)
If I make a thrust cast, I do come to a stop with the rod at RSP (straight), and that IS a straight line cast.
Exceptions can and do exist.
Let's take some of the other essentials:
1.) Straight line path of the rod tip. (The truth is that we actually need an, "almost" straight line path. A perfect one will end up with a collision.)
2.) Stroke length must be commensurate with the length of the cast. (Not always true, so long as we make other adjustments.)
3.) There must be a pause at the end of each stroke. (Not with elliptical casting.)
- The pause must be longer for longer casts. (Not if we increase tip speed significantly.)
4.) Slack must be kept at a minimum. (Not for slack line casts. Also, it matters a lot less if one is making a very short cast or a decelerating cast.)
5.) Power must be applied at the correct time and in the correct amount. (Hard to fine an exception to this, since argument against the word, "correct" is an anathema.)
We use generalities that are almost correct or correct most of the time as a teaching ploy that seems to work, especially as we teach early casters who are not yet in a position to handle an avalanche of details.
Gordy
From: "Paul Arden" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "Paul Arden" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Gordon Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>,<Hlhpc@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FW: Re: STOP?
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:15:58 -0000
Hi guys,
the reason I brought up the stop was because it was being stated that it is "an essential"
and necessary for efficient energy transfer.
If you look at the first video link I sent to Jeff you can see
that by the time I've stopped the rod it is straight and energy has been transferred.
I find that a positive stop inhibits 5-weight distance casting.
Does it matter? Well I think it does. I want to teach stuff that is accurate. If we
don't work out how casting works then who will? That's not coming back to Earth
that's staying in the dark.
Cheers,
Paul
>Harvey.....
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>Be careful when you read or write the word, "butt"....because some
>use the word to mean butt section of the rod, while others use it to
>mean a "fighting butt" at the bottom end of the rod, below the reel
>seat. (I've even found some tight firewalls which won't allow it
>into a computer message.)
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>To simplify even further:
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>1.) For straight line casting, a crisp stop is desirable for
>efficient transfer of energy to the fly line.
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>2.) Many other casts such as some curve casts and specialty casts
>don't require this crisp stop.
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>3.) For most distance competition straight line casting, a positive
>stop is necessary.
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>Thanks, Harvey, for bringing us back down to Earth.
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>Gordy
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> From: Hlhpc@xxxxxxx
> To: hillshead@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: FW: Re: STOP?
> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:28:57 EST
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> hi gordy- i,a mere CCI, have been reading the discourse between
>jeff and paul for the last few days, and i confess that the dialogue
>has gotten a bit esoteric and away from anything we, as instructors,
>might ever want to convey to our students( in this case, advanced
>students only).as mel krieger has stated many times, one of our
>goals as instructors is to be able to convey information to our
>students briefly and clearly, in plain simple language. why not just
>simplify what these 2 individuals are saying. we all know that the
>STOP is crucial for the transfer of energy to the line. whether the
>STOP is abrupt or "lazy" just goes to the amount of energy
>transferred to the line,regardless of backcast or forward cast.this
>then will translate in part to the length of the cast. as far as the
>rotation of the butt, it will always move in the opposite direction
>of the tip, but it will not rotate unless the caster is twisting
>their wrist, as in doing a curve cast,etc. hopefully this might help
>all to simplify their respective positions.
> harvey harris
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