Casting practice 7

Walter & Group...

From Tim Lawson:

Hi Gordy,

The link you provided to Robert Gillespie offers two really good "teaching points". First, there is a lot of good information on the web that can help "round out" the education of an MCI candidate. Second, there is a lot of information on the web that has to be viewed with scrutiny, especially information related to those pesky definitions. This link has both of those components.

You said one time that the best MCI candidate will not focus primarily on either the differences or similarities of various opinions, but rather, be well informed of many viewpoints, and make an educated decision about what makes the most sense to him/her. Great advice!

Tim

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[GH] Tim,

As you point out, when reading material from the web, one must be able to separate the wheat from the chaff!

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>From Ivan Streif:

Gordy,

The "stop the rod before midnight" phase that Tom Scheer made reference to was actually from my answers that you sent out. I got that from Chuck Easterling, who was the lead examiner for my CI test. I had practiced the roll cast extensively on grass, but not enough on water because everyone I talked to said they had done the cast on grass for their test.

Chuck had me do my roll cast on water and he could see that I was struggling, so after the test he was kind enough to give me quite a lot of additional instruction. In regards to the roll cast, he advised stopping the rod "before midnight" to make a tight loop roll cast and "after midnight" to make a wide loop roll cast. That concept has been extremely helpful to me but I see I should have explained myself better in my original answer.

The commitment of the instructors in this group is reflected in how closely they read the discussion.

Ivan Streif

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[GH] Ivan,

That fits with Floyd Franke's advice to: "Squeeze to a stop when the rod is perpendicular to the target."

"Midnight", as I see it, is representative of the approximate 90 degree angular relationship of the rod shaft (butt section) to an imaginary line from the caster's hand to the target. Beginning the "stop sequence" at that point would help insure a tight loop. However, the rod tip is moving at its greatest velocity between that point and RSP (Rod Straight Position). I recall from the depths of my memory that Server Sadik once pointed out a paradox in the finding that at this point of starting the "stop sequence" the caster is actually moving the rod butt with maximum rotational acceleration.

A real mind teaser!

I placed a couple of comments on "No Power Before Midnight" and "No Power After Midnight" in an attachment. Each can be used as a teaching ploy or a practice trick.

Since Chuck Easterling may be the author of the "Midnight" phrases, perhaps he will comment.

Gordy

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>From Bill wheeler:

Gordy

I think there is an error/confusing element in the Virtualflycasting.com discussion of the 5 elements and is a situation where students could become confused. I think most people would equate wind resistance with the aerodynamics of the loop and not the ability to resist the effects of the wind. It may be semantics, but it may be confusing even if they are clarified with the wording suggested below.

The first is the nearly STRAIGHT LINE PATH of the rod tip. This path generates a
narrow LOOP and accurate placement of the fly. A narrow loop will show a top and
bottom leg separation of approximately 20 inches. The top and bottom leg of the loop
will also be in the same plane, that is to say that the top leg should always be directly
above the bottom leg for maximum efficiency. Another advantage of the narrow loop
is its ability to penetrate a wind. The smaller and tighter loop has less surface area and
increases resistance to the wind If this is rewritten to show that tight loops increase the resistance to the effects of the wind it makes sense

The second path the rod tip can travel is in a CONVEX PATH. The path of the rod tip
in this instance travels in a large upward arc as opposed to a near straight line path. A
convex path of the rod tip opens up, or widens the loop, decreases wind resistance and
compromises accuracy. The could be rewritten to decrease the resistance of the loops to the wind.

Thanks

Bill

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[GH] The physicists would probably agree with you.

However the scientific folks describe it, in plain language one could put it this way:

The small (tight loop) throws more of the energy of the cast in the direction of that cast. In addition, this small loop penetrates the wind better.

The large loop throws less of the energy of the cast in the direction of that cast. In addition, this large loop does not penetrate the wind well.

Gordy

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