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Walter & Group....
>From Steve Smith:
Gordy it seems to me that I have read somewhere that hauling can help you tighten your loop.It seems to me that when I haul I can tighten my loop but I'm not sure as to why this might be the case.Do you have an option on that?Thanks Steve
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Steve Smith
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[GH] Steve,
This question came up, during the past few days, six times. I see it as a balance between forces exerted by casting and haul (line) arms.
Several possibilities, here ........ "It depends....."
This can happen if you are casting with a bit too much casting arc for the amount of rod bend and have a larger loop than you want.
The haul, in this case, can slightly increase rod load and, therefore, rod bend. It is much more effective in increasing line speed. In the event this is done with just the right amount of force, it can increase rod bend just enough to match the prior casting arc for a straighter path of the rod tip... ergo a tighter loop.
If you overdo it and increase rod bend too much for the same casting arc, you will achieve a concave rod tip path and this makes a tailing loop more likely to occur.
Gordy
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>From Tim Kempton:
Hi Gordy
I have read the answers and maybe you can clarify regarding the double haul...
it seems the double haul can either or both
1. hauling on both the back and forward cast,
2. Giving line back after the haul.
Is there a consensus on this?
Also, I wonder if you could comment on slide loading vs creep.
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[GH] Tim,
Most instructors and authors of fly casting literature describe a double haul as a haul (pull made with the line) during the back cast and, again, on the forward cast.
Joan Wulff teaches that with a single haul, you don't give back line. With the double haul, you do. This is a gross simplification, however, of her detailed teachings and easy to take out of context.
Except when she demonstrates slide loading, her double and single hauls are not substantially different from the hauls made by most expert casters.
So, as I see it, it boils down to whether you wish to emphasize the giving back of line as a determinate or not as you describe single vs. double hauls.
In 2012, Joan wrote, "It is a common misconception to think that the single haul is half of a double haul. That interpretation pulls the line in on the backcast and gives it back on the forward cast. Nothing accomplished! In the real single haul, the line is pulled in but is not given back......." *
When I elect to use a single haul on a back cast when picking up line from the water, I usually do not always give back line. I do give it back if I follow with a haul on my next forward stroke..... but that makes it a double haul. When I do a single haul on my forward false cast I usually do give it back, but that is because I almost always follow with a haul also made on the next back cast.
Sometimes I'll make a back cast with no haul, then use a haul on my forward delivery cast. When doing that, I don't give back line because at the end of that stroke, I'll release line from my line hand. Could that release be considered, "giving back line"? All depends on what you wish to call it.
So .... I see the real difference lies with the ways of looking at the single haul.... not the double haul.
Forgive me for doing this, but again let me remind you of my way of studying these things by reading and discussing what seem to be disagreements between experts in terms of their differences..... and then to try to dig out their similarities.
On SLIDE LOADING:
A couple of years ago, we exhausted this topic. Perhaps some of you saved those messages. Walter Simbirski may have archived it, hopefully including Joan's personal description of it to our Group.
This has remained a controversial subject since Joan Wulff introduced the term in her book, in 1987. **
Some experts say that "it doesn't really exist". Others take the position that, while Joan obviously does it, that it doesn't really accomplish anything of value.
Others opine that it can help smooth out the cast. While Joan says that she uses it on her distance casts, she does not claim that it actually increases her distance, only that it is with her longest distance casts that she uses it.
Basically, Joan described slide loading as, "Rod hand moves forward in loading move while line hand continues to give line back." **
This results in the rod "sliding" along the line as it starts to be moved forward.
Some have taken the position that this could be considered giving back some line during a form of CREEP.
CREEP, however, has been studied by use of the Casting analyzer and high speed video techniques and found to consist of mostly minimally accelerated (zero to slow) rotation, not seen in Joan's depictions of double hauling with slide loading. This results in CREEP diminishing the available casting arc for the next cast. That doesn't appear to happen with Joan's "slide loading" casts.
No consensus on either topic.
* Joan Wulff's NEW FLY-CASTING TECHNIQUES, by Joan Wulff, 2012, pp. 85 - 87.
** " " " " " " " " " , P. 86, FIG.11.3, (4), (5).
***Joan Wulff's FLY CASTING TECHNIQUES, by Joan Wulff, 1987, pp. 107-108, 128-128.
Gordy
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