Hauls 10

Walter & Group...

>From Bob Dionne:

Gordy, Phil, Sam, Walter and Bruce,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my answers to Gordy's questions 9. And 10. I based my answers on the assumption that "giving back" line was part of the definition of "double hauling" (Thanks Tony L. For catching this).

Gordy helped me understand that many if not most instructors do not include drift as a part of hauling. It was not my intention to imply that one should haul during drift. My lack of clarity on that point led to valid criticism which I am grateful for.

Here is how I would answer those questions now:

9. "You are making a forward cast while carrying more than 55 feet out of your rod tip, when do you stop your haul?

Answer to other instructors = At or slightly after RSP. Answer to students = at the end of the stop.

10. "When making a backcast prior to your delivery forward cast when distance casting, at what point do you stop your haul?

Same as answer to question 9.

Bob

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[GH] Bob,

Sometimes what seems like a "wrong answer", really isn't once the thinking behind it is understood !

Too easy to jump to conclusions.

Gordy

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>From William Ciarro. My comments in his text in italics :

Hey Gordy,

This has been running in and out of my head. I guess what I am deliberating is the correct way to explain and demonstrate the best timing for a haul. Given that we can conclude that there are many uses for a haul there needs to be one and only one correct factor that enables the most efficient timing of a haul that has the purpose of added energy and line speed from a scientific criteria.

We can take different segments of a casting stroke and easily eliminate a few possibilities.

Before any stroke is started and the rod is in back drift that is called (according to Joan Wulff) Pre Load. This would do nothing but remove the effect of the pre load..

[GH] As you probably know, many instructors don't look at "Pre load" as a true rod loading event.. However, you are correct, I think, in that starting the haul here would use up some of the haul effort and line hand travel without contributing to increase of line speed. It would also have no effect on rod load.

2. After the rod has completed a stroke and the line is unfurling. This would assist in turning over the last part of the loop but will not add line speed and therefore distance to the cast. I use this in two hand by pulling back on the rod once just after the forward stroke.
[GH} I'd consider that similar to a CHECK HAUL at the end of the back cast. It would help turn over the loop earlier but, as you noted, would not add to line speed or distance to the cast, except, as Bruce Richards noted, to provide a little more distance than would have been achieved if there wasn't enough energy in the system to turn over that loop, in which instance the cast would collapse.
That "pull back" of the rod as you make a check haul after the forward cast, would accentuate the quick turnover of the loop. If done with more force, it might result in the "Bounce cast"....i.e. a rapid turnover of the loop with forward motion coming to an abrupt halt yielding slack. One of our effective, "slack line casts". If done with the rod in the vertical plane while casting a weighted nymph, it could yield a Tuck cast used to plunge that nymph into pocket water.

Since the beginning position as well as the finish position will not be the most effective, the answer must be located during the time the rod is loaded. My logic tells me that loading a rod is done in the same exact ratio of force and speed that we place on the spring. If a well executed cast consists on Constant Acceleration with a Straight Tip Path to an Abrupt Stop (CASTPAS), then the timing that will be most effected by the use of a haul will be so the haul is complete at the moment of the rod stop. This is the time of maximum load and thrust.

[GH] We've learned that the most effective time to stop the haul when false casting, or to release the line from the line hand on the delivery cast is, technically, at RSP 1 (The first rod straight position through which the rod tip moves after which counterflex begins.)

That point is only about 0.1 seconds after the start of he stop sequence. I don't think any of us can really feel or appreciate the difference. So for practical purposes, even though not scientifically correct, it would be OK to stop your haul as you stop with the casting hand.

That'll work for teaching, too. Why? Because it is unlikely that any student will know exactly when RSP 1 occurs..... but he knows when he tries to stop.

A little 0.1 second white lie which will work.

I think that confusion is placed in the explanation by not talking about the ending point of the haul. Mel said DOWNUP. I think the UP needs to be at the moment the spring is released.

Therefore I must also conclude that the beginning of the haul varies according to the desired effect in speed and power to be generated. Because there can be such a finite degree of haul effect developing a hard and fast rule is difficult. It seems that any haul that is started after the rod begins to load and concludes with the UP portion at the moment of stop is a good haul.

[GH] Not a bad teaching description, even though the scientific guys might take issue with the details.

Your opinion would be greatly appreciated,

[GH] By thinking about all this and writing it down, as you did, you taught yourself a great deal before you actually sent this. Way to go!

Gordy

William

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