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Walter & Group...
[GH] From David Lambert:
Regarding the useful tailers in the slack-line presentations thread -
Isn't the Skip Cast that Lefty teaches really a controlled tailer? I use it under mangroves, bushes, tree branches and such. A very useful cast when needed.
And this: A couple of years ago Mac (Brown) and I spent hours perfecting a true tailer that would actually unfurl in slack. Mac uses it in the tight scenarios he encounters on the small streams up around Bryson City, NC, (the Smoky Mts ). I don't have much call for it in the salt, but I think he still employs that cast.
Maybe he'll chime in on it.
David
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[GH] David,
The controlled tail cast which you describe having worked out with Mac sounds like a true slack line cast to be placed beneath overhanging cover. Lefty''s Skip cast is not (as far as I know) a slack line presentation.
I have not actually been with Lefty when he's done that.
Lefty doesn't describe it as a controlled tail even as he goes into detail on how to do the Skip cast. I went back and looked at the great photos of him making this presentation. Since it is a low side-arm cast, judgement as to whether or not there is a concave rod tip path is impossible. The unfurling loop may have a slight cross-over in the picture at the top of page 242, but is probably enough out of plane to avoid a leader/line collision. It may be a photo/optical illusion. *
When I do it, it is sometimes an "almost tail" which doesn't collide. My objective is to flip my leader over under brush or mangrove overhang with no attempt at yielding slack.
* CASTING WITH LEFTY KREH, by Lefty Kreh, 2008, pp. 239-242.
Gordy
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[GH] From John Field on the distinction between CAST and MEND for slack line presentations:
Hi Gordy,
Sorry for my delay in responding, the great weather and trout fishing have been diverting me.
A slack line mend is a movement of the rod by the caster to create slack in the line beyond the rod tip, after stopping the rod on the delivery cast. An example is an S-cast, hump, or a reach. A true slack line cast puts slack in the line by using one, or a combination of; trajectory and rod acceleration variables, before or at the time of the initial rod stop of the delivery cast. An example are the curve casts, the pile or “slack line cast”.
The mend is created after the stop and and the slack line cast is made before, or during loop formation. I do think they need to be differentiated in task 7 since classification helps describe how to make them.
I won’t take offense if you and other group members disagree with my descriptions and offers guidance.
Regards,
John Field
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[GH] Michael Duzynski answers Ally Gowans' questions :
1.) How would a right handed student be taught to make a right handed reach based on a right handed roll cast?
2,) What are the problems of making curved mends to left and to the right using a right handed roll cast?
Hi Gordy & Group
Answering Ally Gowans questions
Short answer:
1) Using right handed roll cast, to be able to make mends (big or small wiggles), curves left or right, I would tell to my student to aim his roll cast loop higher. That gives enough time for any rod maneuver.
Long Answer:
Even by having tight loop unrolling low above the water surface, the gravity effect will pull down the rod leg of the loop faster, giving the caster not enough time to put desire mend in the line, in effect the mend, curve would be already dragging on the surface. Having higher loop trajectory it would be easier to perform PILE CAST as it requires lowering the tip to the surface. (its difficult to lower your rod tip from already low position)
Having wide loop roll cast will cause same problems with putting mend, curves as the rod leg of the loop will partly unroll on the water creating drag and making mending more difficult.
So aim your loop higher
2) What causes most problems.
I think I described them in my long answer.
Michael Duzynski
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[GH] Michael :
1.) Would you not have to consider the direction of the cast; to the RIGHT for a RIGHT handed roll cast ?
Perhaps best made by casting over the opposite shoulder to prevent a collision?
2.) No line collision problem when making a right handed curve mend to the left. the caster is right handed and can make it over his right shoulde
Making it to the right is the big problem. That is when in is best to either switch hands or to use the right hand while casting over the left shoulder.
Gordy
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[GH] Question from Tom Dempsey:
35' Aerial mend:
As a CCI moving toward a MCI I would like to ask the group for any in-sight ,pointers, tricks or any hints on how to make this cast .
TOM in MOBILE
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[GH] Tom,
Not off topic, since (as Joe Libeu pointed out a few days ago) a single mend can be used to provide fly line slack.
This is one of the most difficult tasks for many candidates on the performance exam, in my experience.
Some things to remember:
1. For a mend at short distance, make it LOW and LATE.
2. For a mend at great distance, make it HIGH and EARLY.
3. No hauling is allowed for Task 4.
4. These are not curve casts, since the layout must include a curved segment of line around the target with the rest of the line and leader lying straight to the fly beyond the target.
Some fine points:
# That mend move for the distant target must be made with movement of the rod tip to one side and back to center as soon after loop formation as you can.
When I do that, it almost seems that I'm making that mend move of the rod almost "at the stop".
# Note: I said, back to center . If you go too far, you will end up with an S layout, not a single mend.
# Some casters find they can do it well by forming the mend early; then shooting the whole mend out to the target with fly beyond. Most candidates find that difficult and less accurate, partly because hauling is not allowed.
# Best, I think, to false cast 'til you have about 50' of line carried out of the rod tip, then make the mend presentation. (The Task description includes: "Casting approximately 50feet (15.2m) of line....."
# Exasperating when you first try it. Takes LOTS of practice. No substitute for that! All of a sudden the light goes on.
Gordy
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