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Walter & Group...
[GH] From Len Zickler in question of Paul Arden's answer to Ally Gowan's question :
[GH] From Paul Arden's answer to Ally's question 1.:
"1.) How would a right handed student be taught to make a right handed reach based on a right handed roll cast?"
"1. make an upside down roll cast delivery. "
Paul
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Sorry guys, but some casts, such as the "upside down roll cast" can only be properly demonstrated through video. I'm having a hard time visualizing "starting from a low position", "pulling back at the end of the stroke", and "curving upwards". Is there anyway a picture of these casting components could be posted?
Len
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[GH] Len,
I'd love to see that video, too.
I've never seen it described in print or a video.
For me to get any semblance of an "upside down" roll cast loop I have to do it differently than Paul described it. When I try it, it does not collide, however, when the change of direction or reach is to the right when making it over the right shoulder. I do it with a side arm forward roll cast so even if it isn't really what Paul is describing, that may be why it doesn't collide.... (???)
Gordy
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[GH] Tim Lawson joins Len and me in being a bit confused over Paul Arden's "upside down roll cast delivery" :
Hi Gordy,
I still can't visualize the set-up for this "upside down" roll cast. Not important for the MCI study group, so please respond off-line if you get a minute. "Start from a low position.......". A low rod tip? Where is the D loop? "Use pull back at the end of the Stroke".............and it then becomes a mend, not a cast.
Sorry. I don't mean to be dense, but if this stuff is going to show up on the blog, I think it should be understandable, if that's a word.
Tim
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[GH] Tim,
It is important, since several have called me about this. They want to know.
Hopefully, Paul will help us more with this one.
Gordy
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[GH] From Ally Gowans:
The simple way to reach with a right hand roll cast is to cast backhand over the left shoulder. Casting an inverted loop as Paul mentioned also works (but it’s not an upside-down roll cast!) and another means of achieving the same result as a reach is to effectively make the reach first by casting in a low plane. Otherwise using a normal roll cast you would have to be very careful to avoid a line collision which is done by allowing the line to extend before pushing out to reach. I should add that for these casts I would use a “dead line” roll cast, in fact during practical fishing I almost never use a dead line roll cast.
Anyway my objective is asking those questions was to get the group to think. When fishing in tight spots you have to be able to adapt and to adapt you must understand casting itself not just how to make this cast or that cast. Last week I was able to change direction cast and shoot to 70ft easily at bonefish using a double hauled Spey cast, the guide couldn’t believe his eyes. His comment “You have to teach me that one”.
Best regards,
Ally Gowans
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[GH] Ally,
I'll bet you did teach that to your guide.
New names for casts and mends keep cropping up. I have used the term "dead line" for a static D- loop during a pause after a complete stop before making the forward presentation roll cast. I contrast this with a "live line" roll cast when the caster doesn't stop or pause as when making a switch cast.
I don't know if that is what you meant, however .... (??)
The way I did it might be considered your, "reach first casting in a low plane".
Making the roll cast and allowing the line to (almost) fully extend but not land and THEN reaching is, indeed, another method which works for me.
Lots to learn with all these terms.
Gordy
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