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Walter & Group...
>From Paul Arden:
I don't know Gordy, as I said a few messages ago, I think it has to do with how the force is applied during acceleration and not during deceleration. In this regard the stop is a bit of a red herring.
A friend of mine once linked a broken handle to a rod so that the instructor could guide a pupil easier - without the complications of physical contact! Anyway what was interesting was in comparing a cast with and without a double haul. No one who made the double haul made a hard stop. These were all instructors.
Cheers, Paul
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[GH] Paul,
Probably so.
Many dyed-in-the-wool salt water casters grew up using at least some haul during every cast they make.... even a very short cast. It's ground into their DNA. It becomes part of the cast. Sometimes I think they do that unconsciously as a sort of balance mechanism between the action of each hand which may result in smoothing out the application of force to provide acceleration, especially when they use heavy equipment. That often "bleeds over" as a technique they continue to use even when trout fishing with light outfits.
As a salty fisher for more than 70 years, I find it difficult to avoid a "reflex haul" when I'm demonstrating fly casting unless I purposely avoid holding the fly line with my line hand !
You also peaked my interest with your comment on your friend who linked the broken handle to the student's rod .... sort of like training airline pilots with a double set of controls ... or the duel controls sometimes used when teaching drivers ed.
Wonder just how he attached it ...????
Gordy
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>From Tim Lawson:
Gordy,
I hope taxpayers didn't pay for a study that came to the startling conclusion that a longer, heavier rod requires more force to cast it.
Tim
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[GH] Good point !
I recall one government study which attempted to find out just what made mullet jump out of the water.
Guess we taxpayers should have been pleased with the result. Don't know if we got our money's worth:
Conclusion: "Mullet jump because they are glad" !!
Gordy
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>From David Eden. Some real World observations, here :
Gordy:
In response to:
"I agree with Paul Arden in that there is a smooth transition between power stroke and follow through and the rod only stops at the limit of extension which in most cases is at the end of the follow through. The actual shooting of line occurs at the point at which all the rods energy is transferred to the line and we are just aiding the line through the guides in the follow through."
I don't believe a smooth transition from power stroke to end of follow through produces the greatest distance for casting. Since this is a situation I face daily on my boat, I carefully watch poor, good, better and best casters. Poor and good generally thrust out their arm, dome their stroke and kill their cast on the final cast. Better casters seem to slow down abruptly, but not stop completely in what appears to be a smooth transition from power stroke to follow through. Best casters-in this case an MCI-had a definite stop and drift on false casts and a definite stop then follow through on presentation. I have seen distance casters stopping the rod high, with no follow through at all, and seen the line shoot out beyond 100'.
>From observation, I believe that only slight gains in distance are achieved with the follow through. However, great gains in presentation and elimination of slack are gained by follow through.
David
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[GH] David,
There is a big difference between the stopping of the casting hand and rod butt/handle and the stop of the rod tip.
I really can't tell that there is a defined end point for the former, while the rod tip does appear to make its first stop at MCF (Maximum counterflex).
Gordy
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[GH] Tomorrow: Great learning contributions by Alejandro Vinuales and Grunde Lovell.
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