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Walter & Group...
[GH] Some answers and comments on Dennis' last message & question :
"BUT there is one major flaw that is holding him back and we need to address it NOW !
Lets have another look."
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[GH] From Mike Heritage :
I still think the major problem is his left hand. He is not only releasing early but his hand movements, with the line in his hand, is creating slack in all the wrong places...not that there is a right place for that cast. Once that is sorted we can start work on a stop on the forward cast.
Mike
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[GH] Lewis Hinks attacks the STOP :
Hey Gordy,
This caster is improving well with Dennis's guidance, but based on the video, he does not have a stop, or at least not a good one, on the forward cast. Also, as part of this problem, he ends up creating a very wide, energy in-efficient loop on the the forward cast, which robs him of a decent loop, distance and a nice straight layout to the target.
Gotta work on that stop, ASAP.
Cheers,
Lewis
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[GH] Ckling Ling on the out of control wrist :
Hi Gordy,
To me the major flaw is the uneducated wrist. We explain to him that wrist action is needed in casting but when we are learning to cast properly we want to limit the wrist movement because it is not as strong as the elbow joint, and it reduces the loading and unloading sensation. We want him to cast from the elbow for now.
We can get him to try different grips with limited back wrist action eg index finger on top, thumb on top. We can tuck the rod butt into long sleeve( he is wearing short sleeves), invert his reel so that it is pressing against his forearm, tie the rod butt to his forearm with reel end fly line, use a commercial wrist lock, put a soft ball between rod butt and forearm and make sure it stays there during the cast, but ultimately he will have to will it not to move too much( much like tennis player learning their strokes). We can take him back on grass and ask him to sidecast and lay down with/without a firm wrist to FEEL the difference . Feel the rodtip bend and unbend?
Good day
Ling
[GH] From Tom Scheer,
Gordy:
Assuming a straight rod tip path is being achieved by controlling wrist bend, he needs to wait until the stop before shooting line.
Dennis's narrative suggests that better wrist control was achieved during the grass exercise as well as stroke length
Tom
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[GH] Tom, I also noted that he fed slack line into the rod with his line hand which prevented satisfactory rod loading.
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[GH] From Jim Chestnut :
Hi Gordy,
Given this latest information from Dennis, that he has been holding loops airborne horizontal casting and is now at a 6+, I will assume that he is now accelerating to a stop sufficient to get his backcast straightened.So I will take a stab at guessing at his remaining MAJOR problem.
1) Release timing on the forward cast.
The video indicates that he had no idea of when to release the line on the forward cast. From that, amazing as it seems to me, I would guess that he has never false cast to extend his carry before!
Please tell me this is not so, Dennis. If it is, I expect his name will be on every page of your weekly scheduler!
Cheers,
Jim
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[GH] FromDon Pendleton on line slip and release :
Gordy, Dennis
"The one major flaw".... this is a little bit of a guess here. Hard to know how far he is by speculation.
From my teaching experience I'm going to guess work now on the timing of his shoot. If his back cast and forward cast are forming a good loop and he is able to cast 30 feet start teaching him how to slip line and when to release. This is one point that I enjoy because the student shoots 10 feet of line and immediately is happy. There is no more of a enjoyable feeling than when a student suddenly shoots line.
This moment really sparks their interest and from then on the lessons become fun.
Don Pendleton
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[GH] Rene Hesse weighs in on Launch angle and the STOP :
Hi Gordy,
Short answer; Launch angle/rod stoping point/trajectory.
Medium answer;
After the qualifying questions of previous sports, occupation...
dig in to what he told us and give comparisons.
i.e.; Everyone has thrown a paper airplane... have him pantomime giving a 'short'
paper airplane toss. Have him note the position of his arm at his ear and then the
45 degree angle of his arm at the end of the cast.
Work the motion with a pill bottle on the end of the butt half of the rod.... (play catch and give them
a chest high target at 15ft.)
This type memory is easy to recall after they are shown how it will help the cast.
Then ask them to try and make the fly hit the water first...before the line hits.
Happy Thanksgiving to all,
Rene
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[GH] That pill bottle trick is a good one ! Lefty Kreh taught it to Jim Valle and me one day. The little bottle is impaled on the end of the fly rod. Lefty attaches a string (so he doesn't have to go after it). the caster "casts" it. It quickly teaches what happens when the release / stop are ill timed.
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[GH] Comments on teaching by Bob Stouffer :
Greetings
I think that my primary responsibility is my own psychological outlook. I must be in a good mental place. In order to help a new student friend, I must accept that their level of competence is perfect for the training and abilities that they bring to this first session.
My second responsibility is to cause them to discontinue repetitive faulty cycling of the rod. If the caster looks as if they are about to cry, I simply fall into the water and ask them to please put the rod down and drag me to safety.
My third responsibility is to develop tactics and a climate for casting improvement that support the strategy that I have written on the piece of paper on the clip-board. For my part, I am always surprised by the actuality and its variety, and am not able to preconceive beyond the general principals and time allotment. B. Richard's "Six Step" method is, to me, tactical. So also is A. Gowan's "Chronological" method. I like to improve the casting stroke by using the chronology-proficiency principals of Mr. Gowan; if there are three faults, work initially on the first fault encountered in the chronology of the casting stroke. If the pick-up is too fast, work on that first, then, after some improvement that shows understanding, go to the second element requiring improvement. Repeat the work on the previous fault as it re-surfaces. Use the six-step method for positive reinforcement as well as understanding weaknesses. This chronology-proficiency scheme is followed in sequence through the session regardless of the fact that the third fault in the chronology may be the most egregious. Improvement for each of the elements is gained by the employment of the teacher's favorite and numerous methods. I am still like a puppy dog when I have a rod in my hand, so I prefer to use an eighteen inch "pipe rod" (no line) for demonstrations.
The employment of these "favorite methods" of mine are buffered by a scanning of the posture and facial _expression_ exhibited by the student. After we become familiar with one-another, each of us can "ramp-it-up" without damping the session.
Bob Stouffer
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