Walter & Group....
Interesting word picture for teaching by Craig Buckbee :
5.) Would you ever use it when teaching intermediate or advance
casting students ? List examples, if so.
Yes I would teach it for
accuracy. I don't see how that
would work for teaching accuracy.... you would be returning the fly to its
original position. G.
When I first read this
is didn?t catch ?intermediate or advance casting students? , I read your answer
and the first thought that came to my head that is exactly how I practiced the
accuracy portion of the CCI test. At the set distance I would pick up and
lay down until I could hit a Frisbee every time. Was there a better way to
work on that task?
Would your answer be
different if the question was changed to a beginning caster? Or maybe
there is a better/different way to work on accuracy all
together.
Mike
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Mike,
The answer to your question lies in the statement, "At the set distance..........". The real test of accuracy lies in the ability to hit the target from any distance. By continually picking up from one point and then presenting to a point the same distance away you don't get to practice the whole scenario.
On the Masters exam, the candidate is not allowed to do that. He must make the accuracy casts starting with the fly held in hand, make some false casts - then present to the first target (40'). He must then pick up from that one and make the next presentation to the closer target (30') after several false casts. Then he has to pick up from the 30' target, make several false casts and present to the distant target (55').
This more closely represents real fly fishing accuracy.
I submit that it would even better to require a change of direction between these targets since that is what often happens as we fish .... but that isn't specified on the task ( # 11.) description.
When I host a CCI exam, I find an occasional candidate who starts the accuracy tasks by placing the fly at the distance of the first target, intending to pick up and return to that same point. That would entail a simple pick up & lay down. I don't allow that.
With the true beginner caster, I'd stick with one line length.
Gordy
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LOOP SHAPES AND "FACES" ... Further Discussion
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I placed the attachments on loop shapes and loop faces again in attachments G.
From Mac Brown :
Hello Gordy,
Thanks for keeping up with the thread Gordy on loop faces. Thanks also to all of those who posted about the different shapes. I think these types of topics teach all of us more by getting instructors talking / casting them. A couple of more thoughts when looking at them which may help. The balance / imbalance of tension for the various shapes can be traced back to (1) power application (the path of the tip top tells us fly leg), (2) loop face can be thought of as the stop/ deceleration move, (3) rod leg is what occurs after the stop.
Gordy, just had my entire first attempt get deleted when I hit the send button. It was an over an hour of compiling each thing. I have tried to get it back but I keep getting a yahoo mail team error-technology! This will have to be the condensed version.
The shapes are placed for all of these on the face from where and how the tip counterflexes right at loop formation. When you practice throwing them with the same style expecting a different result then it will be a long day! Other things to play around with would be tension the rod leg after the stop, different release point of line, rotation of the axis of the rod during the stop, etc... there are many as you can imagine. Tony listed a bunch of good ones which is attached below.
Paul nailed it for the rat snout loop face-that is how I throw it as well. This style of stroke has a vertical drop of the elbow and hand more than a horizontal translation on the forward stroke. This makes it easy to control the rat snout. The more the elbow and hand mix in a blend of translation forward (thrust component) then we alter the shape more in the upper quadrant (c and D).
C and D loop faces are used more for long distance work. The most picture perfect shot I have ever seen of (C) comes from one of the old G Loomis catalogs with Steve doing a really long carry on the back cast-perfection. I throw (C) by lifting the elbow and hand path during the forward stroke. This makes it easy to have counter flex high up in the loop face.
I throw (D) by using a really fast acceleration of the rod hand and the haul is maximum (far and fast). Sorry that these answer ended up being the condensed version-the first one was much better! Noel Perkins did a paper several years ago about the lift component on the vertical oriented loop. I think Bruce planted that seed to him. Loop faces C and D would be the ones that illustrate this lifting effect the most.
Jim posted a square loop face in the attachement above. That one intrigued me for sure. I do not see how one 90* angle could be in the face, much less two of them? I understood the box shape David Lambert put up right away, but this propagating loop that Jim put up is an entirely different beast. Could you tell us more about these abrupt 90* in the loop face during flight Jim?
Thanks Gordy and sorry the first one vanished-it was much more detailed.
Cheers, Mac
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Mac... Happens to me occasionally after I've spent an hour or more on a Group message. With my present Arclab MailList Controller, I can't flip the message to drafts as I build it ... If I press SEND it is usually no problem .... but once in a great while I lose it and have to do it over.
When I do it over, it is shorter.... and, I think, improved.
Gordy
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