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    Walter & Group.....

    CORRECTION:  THE COUNTERPOINT SECTION IN YESTERDAY'S MESSAGE WAS SENT BY JIM BARR OF RHODE ISLAND, NOT BY JIM BASS.  MY ERROR !  If you are archiving our messages, please make the correction.

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    Attached, you will find a poetic message on Al Crise.  Author is Jerry Puckett.

    Also, attached, a message from Ally Gowens with more historical information on Grant.

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                                           ESSENTIALS - VARIABLES / STRAIGHT LINE CASTING

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    From Scott Swartz,

    Gordy,
     
    The variables question has peeked a lot of interest. I would enjoy seeing opinions to straight line casting. 
     
    In a simple world (and perhaps my simple mind)  the straight line overhead cast offers essentials...that we intentionally violate (variables) to achieve different outcomes for different casts.
     
    I am curious if we can reach consensus on essentials for SL overhead casts in round #1?
     
    Thanks,
    Scott Swartz
     
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    Scott,
     
    Even with straight line overhead casting we often violate the "essentials" for various reasons, especially as we fish. 
     
    As we saw in some of our messages, those violations may be considered VARIABLES.
     
    Then we have quite another violation which I see as necessary.  The Gammels stated one of the essentials as :
     
         " 3. In order to form the most efficient, least air resistant loops, and to direct the energy of a fly cast toward a specific target, the caster must move the rod tip in a straight line. " *
     
    Interesting that the very first question Bill Gammel asked me on my Master's exam years ago was this : 
     
     "Gordy, what would happen if you were able to have an absolutely straight line path of your rod tip throughout your stroke ?"
     
    My answer:  " You would have a collision between the fly line and the rod tip ".  That was the answer he was looking for.
     
    So even the very author of this essential realized that this was an approximation, not an inviolate principle.  We all know that to make a tight loop we actually need a satisfactory match between the bend of the rod and the casting arc such that we actually form, not an absolutely straight line path of the rod tip, but a rod tip path which is at some point slightly convex.**
     
    When Peter Lami mentioned one way of doing this by dipping the rod tip down very slightly at the end of the cast, he was correct.  This I see as applying slight convexity to the rod tip path late in the stroke just prior to RSP to allow the line to overtake the rod tip at or near this point .... or (in other words) to allow the rod to unload with the tip just below the oncoming fly line.
     
    So you are right...  we intentionally violate an essential such as this one.  In this instance, however,  WE HAVE TO VIOLATE IT !!!!
     
    * THE ESSENTIALS OF FLY CASTING for THE FEDERATION OF FLY FISHERS by Bill and Jay Gammel, 1993, p.6.
     
    **  Now look closely at the photographs on p. 7 and see if you agree that the very demonstration of a straight line rod tip path is only partially straight with a bit of convexity as the stroke is completed.
     
    Gordy
     
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    Further:
     
    Someone said that no two casters cast exactly alike and that in the history of fly casting there may never have existed any two casts exactly identical .
     
    If that is true, can we then look at fly casting as an ever changing kaleidoscopic compendium of variables applied to a central theme ?  I guess so, if we want to stay somewhere up in the clouds.
     
    In teaching fly casting, however, this approach isn't going to work for students who need something to grasp that they can clearly understand.
     
      That is why we need things like PRINCIPLES be they Lefty's or other's and ESSENTIALS such as Bill's and Jay's even though ivory tower scientists may poke holes in them as they attest to their minor inaccuracies.  They provide a baseline for understandable instruction.
     
    We can add a few variables after the student learns efficient basic fly casting.
     
    Lastly, we can choose to exploit these variables as we teach advanced casting .... and as we fish.
     
    Gordy
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    Jim Chestnut challenges the term, "ESSENTIALS" and then gives a description of his use of variables to solve a complex casting problem :-
     

    Hi Gordy,

    I have been following this "Variables" discussion with great interest. I

    have not participated because I did not really understand the question and

    because I have been really, really busy.

    I wasn't sure what you meant by "variables" and waited to see what kind of

    responses you got. I agree with Dusty Sprague, and think that the term

    "Essentials" seems a bit dogmatic. If the "Essentials" were called

    instead " The 5 (or3, 6 or 7 ) Principles to better understand basic

    single handed fly casting" that would do much to soothe ruffled feathers

    all around, and be more accurate as well, in my opinion.

    For instance, while practicing throwing very early tailing loops recently,

    I stumbled across a method whereby I could throw an upside down forward

    loop having the fly land gently.

    To do this, I would start the forward cast before the backcast had

    straightened out, violating Essential #5 (Pause between casting strokes)

    and Essential # 1 ( removal of slack in the line)

    This in turn shorten my stroke, violating Essential #4 (Length of casting

    stroke)

    I would then hit the cast very sharply and execute a short, very rapid

    haul, violating Essential #2, (Proper Acceleration)

    The improper application of power way too early would cause a concave tip

    path violating Essential #3.

    In that one cast, I would be violating every single one of the 5 Essentials.

    But by violating them all, I can still get a useful cast that I can

    control and that is practical for my purposes ? getting a fly under

    overhanging mangroves without powering it in horizontally with a

    resulting large splash.

    What happens is that by hitting the cast way too early with the haul and

    rotation, then stopping the cast short on the forward stroke, RSP occurs

    way prematurely and the tip rises very quickly (concave tip path) well

    above the mass of trailing line traveling at a high rate of speed. A weak

    loop forms over the top of the tip, but the mass of trailing line is

    traveling faster than the weak loop, and forms a secondary, more powerful,

    loop behind and below the primary loop. This second loop over takes the

    weak loop which then morphs into a circle and disapears (straightening

    out to become part of the rod leg) ; and the bottom leg of the new loop

    becomes the fly leg.

    I started playing with this cast after becoming involved in a discussion

    on Sexyloops regarding tailing loops. The discussion was comprised of 208

    separate posts on the subject, and was one of the most interesting

    discussions I have ever been involved in regarding casting ? which

    admitedly are few, since I have only recently been discovering what

    happens in a cast-.

    I believe that discussions such as this benefit instructors because, in

    order to help or share techniques with students, friends or fellow

    instructors who are already very competent, one little insight into some

    esoteric point could be an important factor when analysing a slow motion

    video, for instance.

    And not only that, but any discussion that gets one away from the keyboard

    and out onto the field with a rod in hand, cannot be all bad.

    Thanks again for all your time, Gordy, and for that of everyone

    participating.

    Cheers,

    Jim

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    Jim,

    I'd sure like to see a video of this cast !  

    Back in January of 2001, Joe Humphries gave a casting demo at the Denver Show.  He made credible casts as he violated each one of the "essentials" one by one.   Then he turned to the audience and announce he was going to violate all of them with one cast.  After a few minutes while he pretended to get ready for this feat, he turned to the audience and said, "I lied.  I can't do that."

    Gordy

     

      Gordy

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    From: Alastair Gowans [alastair.gowans@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
    Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:23 PM
    To: 'Gordy Hill'
    Subject: RE: Comments on VARIABLES topic / Grant - history

    Hi Gordy,

     

    Grant was not just a fly caster he was something of a genius, fiddle maker, musical composer, gents barber, fishing tackle maker, farmer, woodcutter and more during his 86 years. Here are some of his most notable casting feats.

     

    Mr Grant afterwards cast from an anchored boat on the Ness, when he cast the amazing distance of 65 yards with a 21-foot rod and 61 yards with an 18-foot rod. The judge was the late Mr Corballis, J.P. of Inverness and Moniak Castle, author of “Forty-five Years Sport”. The runner up in this competition cast the astonishing length of 56 yards with a 21-foot rod. What a spectacle!

     

    Mr Grant then journeyed south, and in 1896 gave his celebrated exhibition in Kingston-on –Thames. Such well-known judges as the late Mr R.B. Marston, Mr Crawshay and Mr Wilson of “Rod and Gun” and the angling editors of “Land and Water” and “The Field” attended and all measurements were made from the caster’s foot to the point where the fly hit the water – the casts being made parallel to the bank. At that time the record cast was an “overhead”, with line shot, of 49 yards 1 foot, to the credit of the late John Enright of Castleconel. To everyone’s surprise, Mr Grant used the “Planet” cast – a pure switch – and shot no line. His figures, when published created a veritable furore. Here they are (from the “Fishing Gazette”):-

     

    Mr Grant on three separate afternoons.

     

    Thursday, December 10, Mr Grant, steady breeze downstream, 15 inches above water level: 20-foot rod, 56 yards; 18-foot 5-inch rod, 54 yards; 10-foot rod, 37 yards.

     

    Friday, December 11, Mr Grant, 19-foot rod, 53 yards 5 inches; 16-foot 10-inch rod, 49 yards 1 foot.

     

    Not only did Grant make these casts with a silk line and greenheart rod without shooting any line he also did it without injuring himself thereby demonstrating good technique which is something that very few of today’s double handed casting competitors can claim. Could he have competed today? I rather think the question is could any of today’s casters have competed against Grant? Note that Grant also cast 111ft with a 10ft rod greenheart rod without shooting line.

    Best regards,

    Ally Gowans

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