Haul: Other perspectuves / LOOP back issue

Walter & Group...

From Anita Wolf.  (The highlighting of her term is mine.) :

Hi Gordy,

Walter has taught me much over the years.  Great system.

I have answered your question below:

Here is something to consider:

 

QUESTION: Would you call a haul :  

 

              a. An essential ? Depending on the type of cast and the conditions.  For example - you can?t haul with a bow and arrow cast.  But hauling on your cast into the wind may well make all the difference in the world.

 

              b. Style ? Some incorporate this in their casting most of the time whether short or long casts.  It seems to give rhythm to total body movement and leverages the caster?s core.

 

              c.  A variable ? In my ever learning frame of mind this can be a variable in line speed when applied properly and when not applied properly.  Are there not variables within the haul (length of haul, speed of haul etc.?)  So in this case ? a variable within a variable??.(something like all the women of the world) J.

 

              d.  Other ? 

Best Fishes,

Anita

 

 

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Anita....   I like your answer !

Gordy

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Jim Bass isn't far from Anita as he writes :

Gordy I think this falls into two categories. A Variable and Other.  The Haul allows you to vary the line speed  thus a variable.  Also it is something you can add to the cast thus an Additive. (Other)

 Jim Bass

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  Paul Arden of SEXYLOOPS comes in with his answer:

D. Component.

Paul

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From Liam Duffy :

Gordy,
 I would say that a haul is a "technique" used in certain situations to overcome a real or perceived problem in casting in certain or particular circumstances. Whilst not an essential it is a technique used to enhance a cast under certain conditions.

Best Regards,

Liam Duffy
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From Rich Knoles:

Hi Gordy, You mentioned Spey Casters don't haul. Perhaps not with a Double handed rod but I haul when I make Spey Casts singlehanded.

Rich Knoles
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Good catch, Rich.  I do that as well !

Some Two Handed casters liken the action of the lower hand to that of the haul, I understand.

Gordy

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From Ally Gowans:

Hi Gordy,

 

When ?haul? is motioned it appears to initiate a thought process dominated by straight line casting. Spey casters do haul and in fact some of them double haul with SH rods. So let?s see how many uses for hauls that the group can come up with!

 

Incidentally for those who can haul correctly and are struggling with a two-handed rod, think of the bottom hand as the ?hauling? hand and the rod will load much better, try it! (With a DH rod the ?haul? from the bottom hand in exactly the opposite direction from the target is key to accurate casting. You can try that too!)

 

Best wishes,

Ally Gowans

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From Craig Buckbee :

gordy,

i say variable, not necessary to a cast,  rather something to apply given conditions.

with Lefty's humorous truism i add Floyd Franke's :

"the double-haul is the pied piper of poor casting"

craig

 

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From Peter Minnick :

 

 Gordy....the responses you got on the haul were terrific....I agree that it's a variable as there's nothing constant in the haul...it's a variable augmentation or less ! Wonderful question! 

 

Peter

 

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From Gary Davison :

 

Gordy,

 

Here is my assumptions about a Haul.

 

Here is something to consider:

 

QUESTION:  Would you call a haul :  

 

               a. An essential ? Yes in that it is essential to have a haul to make the long distance cast or provide energy to any given cast when needed to accomplish a certain power application when presentation dictates.  

 

               b. Style ? Yes because each application is unique in nature based on the casters capability and ingenuity for it's application.

 

               c.  A variable ? Certainly is!  It can vary from the slightest amount of application for delicate but precise application, to the extreme power for the long distance cast. With the Caster being in total control of its variable applications. 

 

               d.  Other ? Yes?  It is the enhancement of all the essentials (Pause, Slack, Stroke, SLP and Power) with a variable that can only be applied using your own style of casting, which will send your casting into a level other than just ordinary.     

 

All the best to all you Haul-a-holic's out there!  Especially you T.M.!

 

    

Gary Davison

Gulf Coast Spey

 

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I look at Gary's answer as : ALL OF THE ABOVE.  

Consider his answer qualifications carefully.   G.

 

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From Pete Greenan :

 

Gordy,

Question:  Is a haul a-

1. Style - no, it has nothing to do with rod plane, hand/arm position, stance or grip

2. Variable - no, it is not essential to the cast in any form

3. Essential - obviously not

 My opinion is a haul is a technique.  What it accomplishes can accentuate the cast.

 

Pete Greenan/ Florida

 

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Denise Maxwell (our LOOP Editor) informs me that there is a void in the LOOP archives:

Due to a computer meltdown in the past, the FFF office is missing one issue :

LOOP, WINTER - 2003. 

This was the last one edited by Macauley Lord.

I'M ASKING ALL MEMBERS TO CHECK TO SEE IF A COPY EXISTS.

If you have it, please forward it to Denise at:     goldnwest@xxxxxxxxx  

Gordy

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