Books / Roll & Switch casts / Jim Bass's request for CCI Group

Re: Bob Rumpfs booklist. The 2 volumes History of the Sport of Casting are not readily available:

If you go to the bottom of the following page:

http://www.americancastingassoc.org/assoc_membership/history/history.html

?You may obtain two books on the history of the sport of casting:

History of the Sport of Casting, Early Times (1860 to 1946) by Cliff Netherton
History of the Sport of Casting, Golden Years, (1900 to 1950) by Cliff Netherton

Both books can be ordered through American Casting Association for $20 plus $5 postage each.?

Guy Manning

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Thanks, Guy.

Gordy

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Roll casts & "Switch casts"

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Question from Bob Rumpf :-

Hi Gordy & Group,

While we are discussing the roll cast requirements, I have a pertinent question. Am I correct in assuming that with the new stipulations, the P - Point on the regular 50 foot roll cast now has to be in front of the rod even on the grass? Would someone be kind enough to explain exactly what is expected on this cast on the grass? We have to know we are working on the proper method.

Regards,

Bob Rumpf

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Bob,

The fly, leader and some fly line must lie in front of the caster for the start of either the roll casts or a switch cast. This is true whether the task on an exam is performed on water or on grass.

Here are some specifics from Dusty Sprague. (Dusty was chair of the MCCI testing committee. As he points out, this chair is now occupied by John Breslin as of the CBOG meeting at Loveland. :

Gordy and Guy,

Our Masters Test Committee recommended to the board we change several tasks descriptions and the Note section of the presently-approved Masters Performance Test. We reviewed these changes twice at the Loveland gathering, first on the Monday event with examiners, then again at the board meeting on Tuesday. Specifically on Task 7 we recommended the following:

Task 7

Demonstrate a Switch Cast using a haul (single or double); shooting line to a minimum distance of 60 feet.

Expectations: The cast must be executed in a smooth manner. The line must be fully aeralized before it repositions to the anchor point. Anchor should land within a rod length of, but not behind, the caster. The back loop must be dynamic and demonstrate proper alignment with the forward cast. A narrow forward loop must straighten completely above the surface.

The Masters Test Committee, now headed by John Breslin, will be finalizing recommendations for revising the Masters Performance Test over the next month or two.  Our recommendations will then go to Bruce, our board chairman, for further disposition. If he is satisfied with our work he'll likely send it on to the full board for review and hopefully approval, followed by publication on the FFF website for some period of time, prior to becoming effective, likely after the first of the year.

Dusty

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Comment:   We take note of the fact that one recommended change for Task # 7 uses the term: SWITCH CAST. We also must note that the expectations include a fully areolized fly line prior to establishing the anchor in front of the caster in the specified position.

Gordy

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Pete Greenan comes in with a practical use for the roll cast with the D-loop flipped way back :

Gordy, Guy & group

This is an important cast when wading along mangrove shoelines casting to fish in the deeper water away from the trees. You generally have enough room to get 10 or 15 feet of line behind you, but no more. It is easier to use this cast, however it is named, in this situation.

Pete Greenan

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Pete ....   I tried this along a mangrove shoreline this morning with a floating line and found that even if I flip a full 15' of line behind me I can make a nice long roll cast. Wouldn't work with an intermediate or sink line at all, and would be a problem with some current situations.

Gordy

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                                         "How do you practice as an instructor "

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From Pete Greenan :

Jim & Group

I fish a lot, but with another accomplished angler who can analyse my casting. I'm probably very fortunate to have people close by.

What this does for me is cause me to use all my casts, see how fatigue effects my ability and reminds me of better ways to communicate with my students, both on-water and off. It also gives me insight into what casts I should be teaching after covering the basics.

My opinion is that people want to learn all they need to know to catch fish. This is something not lost on me because I'm a guide who develops more clients based on how much fun we have on the water. Believe me, teaching while poling anglers around the flats adds a whole new aspect to being an instructor.

Capt. Pete Greenan
2416 Parson Ln.
Sarasota, Fl. 34239
Cell/Office - 941 232-2960
www.floridaflyfishing.com
email: captpete@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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From Jim Valle :

Gordy and Group,

Re: Jim Bass Instructor practice question.

I?ll take a different tack on the question.

How and What does an instructor practice? (And practicing is forever!)

First Decide what you want to work on. One Specific move or cast ?. And cover it thoroughly.

Schedule some of your practice alone?less distraction?.more focus? and you can rehearse out loud, listen to what you say!

Experiment here? What if I stop my hand here, what if I?? What happens?. Why? Practice to learn!

Try ONE new thing you read about in the last week? Try to ?Understand? the author?. Especially if you disagree!!!! (or think you disagree :)

Invent a cast? get creative?. Feel the cast! Create a new method of communicating a casting principle?

Take the reel off and cast a line, turn the guides 90 degrees, cast with a tip section only, cast with no rod???.. Don?t ever stop learning!

Apply your fundamentals, use your knowledge to figure things out in your own words, (be able to explain and contrast it, that?s ?Understanding?)?. Keep an open mind.

Schedule some time with another instructor to have a ?qualified? observer give you real feedback.

Always Practice some basics, demonstration loops etc. Seek the ?Perfect Loop?

Enjoy your practice? it?s play time!

Whenever you can find someone more qualified and cast with them.

Teach more?.The more you teach the more you will have to practice?.students force us to look at things from a different perspective?. The solutions fill our bag of tricks!

I would also advise contacting Chuck Easterling who does a Conclave Workshop which I believe he calls ?Practice with a Purpose?.

And that is the very short version!

Jim