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  • Balanced Flies- Heavy flies / "pointed loop" / Article sought



    Walter & Group...

    On Balanced Flies from Mark Sedotti :

    Gordy, Gary,
     
    Weight balancing is my concept. 
     
    I hadn't found it covered or mentioned by anyone before ( I realized the concept in 1991 - from reverse engineering and analyzing my giant flies. I wanted to find the reason why they casted so surprizingly well), nor have I to this day, and it's an axiom of fly tying and casting too. It's simply vital to flies that are castible, no matter what size they are. It's what makes flies castible.
     
    A fly needs a certain amount of weight in it (this can come from anything in the fly; the hook, added weight, absorbed water, the materials themselves) to overcome the wind resistence of it's materials. Too much weight, and the fly cats sloppily, and without control. Too little and it drags noticably. When that weight is just right (you,ve hit the weight sweet spot) that fly will cast as well as it can be cast - and the drag will have the least amount of effect on that fly that it can. As you go up in wind resistence you must go up correspondingly in weight. Less wind resistence, less weight needed. When this is done precisely then the fly is "weight balanced". When you think about it, ALL flies that cast well (and all those that cast easiest) are weight balanced. They HAVE to be.
     
    I plan on doing a fly tying DVD soon, perhaps even starting in the next two weeks, that will cover this. One place you can find something on weight balancing is a recent article by Johnny King in Fly Fishing In Saltwaters. He covers one of my big flies (Sedotti's Slammer) - along with three other flies from different tyers - and it was done from an interview with me.
     
    I will also be doing a fly casting DVD that will cover, besides other things, casting really big flies, and casting "heavy" flies, which are, of course, un weight balanced flies that are on the heavy side, rather than those that are on the "dragging" side.
     
    You can cast them ("heavy" flies) with tight loops, if your technique (and timing) is good across the board. Again, that "heavy" fly simply reveals all you do well and all you don't do well.
     
    Mark
     
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    Mark....  You make the concept of balancing wind resistance and weight clear.

    Now this leaves me wondering :

    1.  How is this weight added for most of these big flies ?

    2.   Is the position of this weight, ie.  at the head, near the rear or evenly distributed, etc. of great importance ?

    3.   Do you approximate the wind resistance of the fly or do you have a method of measuring this ?

    Gordy

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    From Nial Logan :

    Gordy,

     

    A little late with this but thought that I?d share it with those who are familiar with the technique.

     

    One of the other ?tongue in cheek? descriptions of the technique required for casting heavy flies, which I believe originated in New Zealand (I may be wrong) where they use Crazy Charlie type ?bombs? tied with the biggest barbell eyes and two wraps of the heaviest lead wire on the entire hook shank when fishing for snapper in deep water.

     

    To help avoid the pain of a strike in the back, the technique used is called ?chuck (throw) and duck?.

     

    Regards

    Nial Logan

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    Nial,

    Yes .... the "Chuck & Duck" method has come 'round the World, wherever it originated.

    Think is, while many unenlightened casters use this and catch fish,  really accomplished casters can avoid the risk of getting hit with these very heavy flies by using some of the methods we've discussed in prior messages.

    Gordy

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                                                              CREATING A "POINTED LOOP"

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    From Jerry Puckett :


    Gordy, 
     
    Thanks to everyone for the great feedback on casting with heavy flies!
     
    Would it be out of sequence to ask this question--how is a pointed loop created when casting?
     
    Thanks, Jerry
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    Jerry ....  I studied Steve Rajeff's cast with a distinct pointed loop and got the impression that in addition to a close to perfect straight line path of his rod tip, he gave a tiny upward and outward thrust to the rod so close to RSP that I really couldn't tell whether it was a bit prior, at or after (at the beginning of counterflex.)
     
    One would have needed hi speed video (at least 500 fps) to really know.
     
    Then I went out and tried to duplicate this. After lots of practice, I got so I could make this pointed loop most though not all of the time...... never as perfectly or as consistently as Steve can do it !
     
    I feel as though I'm making that tiny thrust as close to my hand "stop" as possible, though if analyzed it might actually be a tiny bit on either side of it.
     
    Since that was several years ago, I'll ask Steve his present opinion on just how he feels he's doing it.
     
    We must be critical as we try to evaluate the "pointed loop".  When standing off to the side watching the loop of a caster who is using an off-horizontal rod plane (casting plane), for example, the loop can appear to be tight and even pointed when it is really larger and not really sharp pointed.
     
    Gordy
     
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                                          UNDERSTANDING YOUR CASTING STROKE ..... ARTICLE
     
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    I am trying to find a copy of the December 2003 Fly Fisherman Magazine.  It contains an article titled "Understanding Your Casting Stroke" by Noel Perkins and Bruce Richards.  Fly Fisherman Magazine doesn't have copies of magazines available that were published earlier than 2005.  If anyone has a copy of this magazine that they'd be willing to loan me, I would appreciate it.
     
    Thanks,
    Sam Doyle
     
     
     
    Samuel C. Doyle
    President, Fixed Income Capital Markets
    D.A. Davidson & Co.
    1600 Broadway, Suite 1100
    Denver, CO 80202
    303-764-6036
    303-764-6052 (fax)
     
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