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    • RE: Stop paper version 2

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    Server....
     
    Looking forward to seeing it.
     
    Good luck fishing !
     
    One thought:   I guess we should be careful not to make our final paper so long and complicated that few if any will heed it !
     
    Best,
     
    Gordy
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Ssadik1@xxxxxxx [mailto:Ssadik1@xxxxxxx]
    Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:02 AM
    To: Ssadik1@xxxxxxx; hillshead@xxxxxxxxxxx; simbirsw@xxxxxxx; jasonborger@xxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: Stop paper version 2

    In a message dated 6/19/2009 7:59:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, Ssadik1 writes:
    In a message dated 5/26/2009 2:45:16 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, hillshead@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
     
    It is the evening of June 22.  I have edited typos and bad statements in the material sent last time.  I have also developed new material describing casting physics//mechanics in greater detail based on differential equations of motion I developed last spring for casting.  I need to transcribe and scan the equations and also review this latest write-up.  However I will be away for 3 days - hopefully fishing.  So you will see the results over the weekend at the earliest.  Some fairly powerful statements will be made regarding basic features of casting along with numerous supporting data.
     
    Best regards - Server
     
     
     
    Some relevant files are attached
        - First shows Alex and I casting 40 ft of line beyond tip with no haul.  Alex's forward casts shows kickback and tailing loops and you can see that preload is missing//different - Alex's casts have the higher strain magnitudes.  The forward cast has negative values of strain  in all our cases.
     
        - The next file is me casting with 60 ft of line and you see I am now at the same strain levels as Alex's 40 ft casts.
     
        -  The last file shows a picture of Alex casting//moving a bare rod (no fly line).You can see the amount of strain//rod bend at butt is about the same as when he cast 40 ft of line 
     
        It seems that rod self loading (rod inertia) might be quite significant.  In talking about how rod loading
    is developed I don't think we should be in the mind set that line loading is always the dominant mechanism.
        
     
     
    Walter...
     
    I agree with you all the way.
     
    The paper will be met with antagonism and skepticism if we don't carefully talk about the value of continuing to use the term STOP as a teaching tool as well as the things a true STOP can do such as forming a platform, etc., etc.
     
    Gordy
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Walter Simbirski [mailto:simbirsw@xxxxxxx]
    Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:13 PM
    To: Gordon Hill; 'Gordy Hill'; Ssadik1@xxxxxxx; 'Jason Borger'
    Subject: Re: Stop paper version 2

    Do we want to add anything to this paper? It seems somewhat simplistic at this point but my opinion
    is that we should not dilute the basic concept with other stuff. I think this is going to be a bit of a change
    for some people.
     
    Gordy also raised an excellent point today in his study group regarding the usefulness of "the stop" as a
    teaching tool. I think with a bit of discussion people will realize that we are not advocating getting rid of
    the stop as a teaching aid or as a stylistic element with many useful benefits.
     
    I think a second paper discussing some of the implications would be a good way to go.
     
    Thanks
     
    Walter
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:55 AM
    Subject: RE: Stop paper version 2

    Walter, Server & Jason....
     
    I've spent some time going over the wording of this paper and find nothing which fails to fit my own concepts. 
     
    The format looks OK to me.  I could find not spelling errors or problems with language.
     
    Best,
     
    Gordy
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Walter Simbirski [mailto:simbirsw@xxxxxxx]
    Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:27 AM
    To: Gordy Hill; Ssadik1@xxxxxxx; Jason Borger
    Subject: Stop paper version 2

    I've done some clean up on and simplification of the stop paper and attached it for your perusal.
     
    Thanks
     
    Walter