FUN ! / Practice / Wind casting / Acceleration

Walter & Group...

Now and then we need a bit of levity to make all this FUN.

While discussing the "170", I offered to bring a pair of ballet shoes to the Conclave for Ally.  Of course, I forgot that this would be irresistable to Liam Duffy .... as it is rare for Scots and Irishmen to agree or resist chiding one another.  As Lefty points out .......  IT SHOULD BE FUN ! :

Hi Gordy,
             Give Ally the ballet slippers they will go well with the skirt!!!!!, As for envy, I'll stick with "Riverdance" and bring along my "Taps" and show you what REAL dancing is!!!Best Regards,
Liam Duffy,

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Liam....  Due to the "circumstances", you may or may not recall the time you and Ally danced together at a Conclave !    G.

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                                                                          PRACTICE

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From Bob Tabbert :

Gordy, it sure is tough practicing casting up here! Bob
Robert L. Tabbert
Conservation, Fly Fishing, Exploration
Winter: 211 Ursuline St, Lafayette, LA 70506 
Summer: N14925,W Turner Lk Rd
Lac du Flambeau, WI 54538
cell# 337 781 3650

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Bob joins others in our Group in his dedication to practice weather notwithstanding !   Sheila Hassan even took and passed her Master's exam under nasty winter conditions.    (I've attached Bob's photo.)  G.

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                                      WIND CASTS .... QUESTION ON THE TABLE REMAINING

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From Les Rosenthal:

 

The wind questions that you gave the group were too easy, how about a 30 mph wind blowing towards you across the river at right angles to the river and also at 45 degree quarters towards you over the river in an upstream direction and alternatively in a downstream direction. How do you make the casts work for those conditions?

 

Best wishes,

Ally Gowans

 

Gordy

 

I didn’t see the first part of this question.  Please dump my response if it’s not relevant.

I’ll try to tackle the casting question.  I presume this is a one handed rod I’m casting.  First I think about how the wind will affect my cast, how I can minimize those changes, know that I can adjust my casting plane, trajectory, timing, stroke, arc, line speed, and loop size.  Thirty mph is a pretty stiff wind, I think I’d go home.  JK

The wind is going to affect my cast by blowing it towards me and way off course unless prevented.  I’d start by double checking my barbs are pinched.  I’d upsize my line 1-2 wt sizes because I’m not going to have a long cast.  I’d shorten my leader length and use heavier tippet as the fish won’t be spooked by that in this wind.  I’d stay with a heavier and less wind resistant fly choice.  Depending on the direction of my cast, the stop would end on the lee side of my body to keep the fly away from me.

Then I would try adjusting my casting plane low and parallel to the water trying to find eddy currents down low.  I would also try tilting my trajectory with the bc high and fc low so on release the fly would be driven into the target rather than being blown off target.  I could try adjusting my timing to speed up my fc and add a strong haul into the wind to increase line speed.  I would lengthen my casting stroke allowing the headwind to load my bc.  The hard haul and longer casting stroke would allow me to tighten my loop to drive it into the wind better.

Forty five mph is for someone more aggressive than me.  Safety is my primary concern.  Am I wrong to teach that we should probably not be fishing in these conditions?

Les Rosenthal

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Les ... While I'm pretty sure Ally was talking about Spey casting, you have come up with some suggestions which are practical and pertain to all methods of casting.

Even your comment on the haul ..... while not really pertinent to Spey casting, one could translate the motion of the haul made with single handed casting to that of the bottom hand when Two Handed casting.

I can tell you that I have made casts into a 45 mph wind .... short and low, to be sure.  By using careful technique I've not had an injury.

Re: Upsizing the line.   This will help for greater rod load when short casting ... however, that is negated to a degree by the increased line diameter.  To get around this, I'd go to a more dense line..... like a wt. forward sinking taper.  Might even cut off a bit from the forward taper.

(Within reason, I can sort of make this line perform a bit like a floater when retrieving with a streamer near the surface by literally starting my retrieve just before my leader fully unfurls.  That way, it never stops while in the water and so doesn't sink too far.)

Once in Belize (trade winds belt) we had steady wind of 50 mph.  I couldn't trump that !

Gordy

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                                                              ACCELERATION

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Question from Pat Blackwell:

Hi Gordy,
 
In reading your response to Ally's comments on the "170 Cast", you mention "third order progression". This is a term I've never heard before, without starting a discssion would it be possible to contact Walter and perhaps he could explain the meaning in laymen's terms.
 
Thank You
Pat Blackwell

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Pat... We'll seek his expert opinion.  Meanwhile, my KISS explanation:  

I interpreted it to mean this.

If you drop a weighted object from an airplane, it would fall at a CONSTANT acceleration of 32 feet per second with an increase of another 32 feet per second each second of its fall until it hit the ground.  (This assumes no air resistance.)

Now, if I attach a rocket engine to this object, start the engine and let it drop, it would fall at the same rate .....added to which would be the thrust or force provided by the rocket  engine.

Thus we would have ever increasing acceleration due to the addition of the rocket engine.

I think this is what the physicists & mathematicians mean by "third order progression".

Gordy

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